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Offline runequester

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Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« on: January 26, 2011, 07:22:21 PM »
So if I wanted to mess with shapeshifter on an 030/56, what version of mac os would be the optimal ?
 

Offline commodorejohn

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2011, 07:28:14 PM »
System 7 of some description. I prefer 7.5 for beefier Macs (25MHz+, 8MB+ RAM) and 7.1 for everything else. Not sure how much of a performance/memory penalty Shapeshifter inflicts, but you'd probably handle 7.5 all right.
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Offline beakster2

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2011, 07:29:08 PM »
7.1 is probably best.  I found 7.5 a bit unstable.  7.6 was better, but I don't think there is much there you need.

When I last installed shapeshifter you could download 7.0.1 from Apple for free.  Maybe you can get newer versions from them now?
 

Offline zipper

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2011, 07:41:00 PM »
I think at least 7.5.5, probably 7.6.1 is easy to find.
 

Offline Cammy

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2011, 08:30:32 PM »
If anyone would like to try Shapeshifter on their Amiga, I have gone to the effort of mounting and installing all the disk images for OS 7.6 as well as the 7.6.1 updates and all the other updates available, including the later Appearance Manager extension which makes OS7 look like OS8. These are all official Apple updates and are freely available on their site, along with the disk images for the OS, but I have installed it all and packaged the harddrive file for anyone else to try.

http://home.exetel.com.au/~amiga/MacOS7.6.1.zip

All you need to run it on a sufficiently expanded 020-060 Amiga are:

ShapeShifter 3.11 - http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/ShapeShifter
MuEVD - http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/MuEVD
MuFastZero - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/MuFastZero
VirtualLink - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/vlink

Here are the recommended ROM and OS for each CPU type:

Best ROM Images

68000: Mac Se
68020: Mac LC
68030: Mac LC III
68040: Quadra 650
68060: Quadra 650

Best OS Versions

68000: 6.0.8
68020: 7.1.1
68030: 7.6.1
68040: 8.1
68060: 8.1

This forum has further help with Mac ROMs - http://nbbemulation.free.fr/forum_ma...opic.php?id=69

Remember: You can play games like Warcraft II, Links Pro Golf, Settlers II, Prince of Persia II and other cool games and sequels that weren't released on the Amiga, all in 640x480 in 256 colours! With the AMAZING MuEVD video driver, these games are totally playable on a 030 AGA machine.
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Offline koshman

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2011, 08:55:34 PM »
Cammy, thank you so much!
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Offline Crumb

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2011, 09:04:50 PM »
Quote from: Cammy;609490
ShapeShifter 3.11 - http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/ShapeShifter
MuEVD - http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/MuEVD
MuFastZero - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/MuFastZero
VirtualLink - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/vlink

Here are the recommended ROM and OS for each CPU type:

Best ROM Images

68000: Mac Se
68020: Mac LC
68030: Mac LC III
68040: Quadra 650
68060: Quadra 650

Best OS Versions

68000: 6.0.8
68020: 7.1.1
68030: 7.6.1
68040: 8.1
68060: 8.1

This forum has further help with Mac ROMs - http://nbbemulation.free.fr/forum_ma...opic.php?id=69

Remember: You can play games like Warcraft II, Links Pro Golf, Settlers II, Prince of Persia II and other cool games and sequels that weren't released on the Amiga, all in 640x480 in 256 colours! With the AMAZING MuEVD video driver, these games are totally playable on a 030 AGA machine.


I used to play Duke Nukem 3D, Dark forces, Comanche, WarcraftII and others in my A1200 with Falcon040/25. I have to say that OS7.x has always felt way faster than 8.x even installed in a scsi partition. I wouldn't use 8.x in my miggies again. OS8.x is quite useless and for a few apps and games OS7.x is more than enough.

I tried different 1MB rom images (650 and 900 IIRC) and it didn't make any difference.

With a graphic card Fusion3.x usually feels smoother even if you use Shapeshifter TurboEVD/MMU drivers. Fusion3.x allows using MMU for virtual memory on OS8.x IIRC. You should use Fusion 3.2 version iif you own a gfx card or Shapeshifter3.11 if you use ECS/AGA.

If you don't have an MMU there are some drivers called "AgaBoost", these had small gfx glitches but on a friend's a1200+fastram were fine to load Prince of Persia.

PS: Savage driver was the best for 030 AGA IIRC
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Offline Matt_H

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2011, 09:10:05 PM »
@ Cammy

Cammy, do you have VirtualLink set up and working? I've been trying to get it going for years, but to no avail. Can you post a bit about your network configuration? Thanks!
 

Offline nicholas

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2011, 10:16:21 PM »
Quote from: Crumb;609495
I used to play Duke Nukem 3D, Dark forces, Comanche, WarcraftII and others in my A1200 with Falcon040/25. I have to say that OS7.x has always felt way faster than 8.x even installed in a scsi partition. I wouldn't use 8.x in my miggies again. OS8.x is quite useless and for a few apps and games OS7.x is more than enough.

I tried different 1MB rom images (650 and 900 IIRC) and it didn't make any difference.

With a graphic card Fusion3.x usually feels smoother even if you use Shapeshifter TurboEVD/MMU drivers. Fusion3.x allows using MMU for virtual memory on OS8.x IIRC. You should use Fusion 3.2 version iif you own a gfx card or Shapeshifter3.11 if you use ECS/AGA.

If you don't have an MMU there are some drivers called "AgaBoost", these had small gfx glitches but on a friend's a1200+fastram were fine to load Prince of Persia.

PS: Savage driver was the best for 030 AGA IIRC


Thanks for pre-answering MOST of the questions I had! :D

Just one more, how good is Basiillisk II on 68k Amigas?  Any pro and cons for or against it over Fusion or Shapeshifter?
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Offline Digiman

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2011, 12:26:43 AM »
Quote from: Cammy;609490
If anyone would like to try Shapeshifter on their Amiga, I have gone to the effort of mounting and installing all the disk images for OS 7.6 as well as the 7.6.1 updates and all the other updates available, including the later Appearance Manager extension which makes OS7 look like OS8. These are all official Apple updates and are freely available on their site, along with the disk images for the OS, but I have installed it all and packaged the harddrive file for anyone else to try.

http://home.exetel.com.au/~amiga/MacOS7.6.1.zip

All you need to run it on a sufficiently expanded 020-060 Amiga are:

ShapeShifter 3.11 - http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/ShapeShifter
MuEVD - http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/MuEVD
MuFastZero - http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/MuFastZero
VirtualLink - http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/vlink

Here are the recommended ROM and OS for each CPU type:

Best ROM Images

68000: Mac Se
68020: Mac LC
68030: Mac LC III
68040: Quadra 650
68060: Quadra 650

Best OS Versions

68000: 6.0.8
68020: 7.1.1
68030: 7.6.1
68040: 8.1
68060: 8.1

This forum has further help with Mac ROMs - http://nbbemulation.free.fr/forum_ma...opic.php?id=69

Remember: You can play games like Warcraft II, Links Pro Golf, Settlers II, Prince of Persia II and other cool games and sequels that weren't released on the Amiga, all in 640x480 in 256 colours! With the AMAZING MuEVD video driver, these games are totally playable on a 030 AGA machine.


Post of the year award goes to Cammy :)
 

Offline XDelusion

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2011, 04:57:51 AM »
Cammy you beautiful beast you! Thanks for putting this pack together and for all the links!!!!!

On a side note, how does Fusion compare with Shapeshifter? I heard it was faster?
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Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2011, 05:46:40 AM »
wow, cammy goes and shows everybody up : )
 very very helpfull, thank you
 

Offline MaximvsPayne

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2011, 09:32:48 AM »
damn cool, very very helpful!

thx
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Offline nicholas

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2011, 11:11:30 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;609504
Thanks for pre-answering MOST of the questions I had! :D

Just one more, how good is Basiillisk II on 68k Amigas?  Any pro and cons for or against it over Fusion or Shapeshifter?


Anyone?
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Offline X-ray

Re: Shapeshifter. Best mac os for 030?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2011, 05:45:42 PM »
Thanks Camster, I owe you one! :hat: