SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[Iggy]

Having owned a Peg 2 and a sam 440, can anyone guess which one I sold?

Gaz

Uh, let's see. They both run Amiga OS 4,1 and the Peg will also run MorphOS. Plus the Peg is faster.

So you kept the SAM, right?  :roflmao:

[Duce]

I'm quite happy with my SAM 440, but I am also not delusional enough to think that in sane terms I got the best bang for my buck with it.  I could have built 2 fairly nice midrange gaming pc's for what I have sunk into the SAM rig.

At the time, it was the most powerful "Amiga" available for purchase from a retailer, and I like OS 4.  That being said, it doesn't even remotely come close to doing what I expect a modern PC to do as far as being a computer I'd solely use for every day to day tasks.  High costs on these modern gen "Amiga's" will always be an issue, and the availability of cheap macs and MorphOS is often a more viable option than the OS4 rigs, sadly.  Same goes for AROS and old commodity PC HW.  Just not enough manufacturer volume to make the new PPC OS4 rigs affordable to most people.

Performance vs. cost on this stuff is sort of redundant as a comparison, no one is buying them for a daily driver unless your needs are far less demanding than most peoples.  I enjoy my SAM for a vague nostalgia factor, enjoy the lack of noise it emits, but in all truth my iphone does more than the SAM does in the "modern computing" aspect for me.  I love the SAM, but I'm fully aware of its' limitations, I suppose.  No one twisted my arm to buy it at the steep price that I paid for it.

[mbrantley]

As frustrated as I sometimes feel myself getting waiting for these products, I keep trying to tell myself that months are like minutes in Amiga time.

[utri007]

I don't mind that new amigas has poor performance. Price is different thing, it should be possible to build this kind of system so that price would be 200-300€

I think that Efica has prove that.

Price was 99€, it would have been perfect hobby machine, IF there would had been memory socket, to make possible to add more memory.

Surely to add memory socket would make more cost, but ...

[Hans_]

I've heard that the 460 CPU is "cool". I'm not sure if that refers to it's heat dissipation or something else though.

Well, the Sam 460ex's CPU is passively cooled. I have one of these machines and the only fan in the case belongs to the power supply. It's by far the quietest machine that I have.

I like the Sam 460ex. I like the faster RAM, the faster 4x PCIe bus, and the passively cooled Radeon HD 4650 that I have connected to it. The 4x PCIe bus definitely makes a difference.

It would be nice if they could bring the price down though.

Hans

[wawrzon]

Uh, let's see. They both run Amiga OS 4,1 and the Peg will also run MorphOS. Plus the Peg is faster.

So you kept the SAM, right?  :roflmao:

i guess hes sold both..

[Iggy]

i guess hes sold both..

At current prices I would have and bought a Powermac.

[Iggy]

Well, the Sam 460ex's CPU is passively cooled. I have one of these machines and the only fan in the case belongs to the power supply. It's by far the quietest machine that I have.

I like the Sam 460ex. I like the faster RAM, the faster 4x PCIe bus, and the passively cooled Radeon HD 4650 that I have connected to it. The 4x PCIe bus definitely makes a difference.

It would be nice if they could bring the price down though.

Hans

I actually find that combination interesting. I wish it cost less, but I could see that as a daily use machine. Ther SAM460 is a significantly better board than the SAM 440. If I could put up with a 933 Mhz Powermac (the speed of my processor before upgrading) I could easily see using a 1.15Ghz machine.
Since this is faster than most Pegasos', how is it slow?

[zylesea]

With some good will Sam460 (895 EUR) is maybe in the class of Atom based mainboards(59 EUR), but for about *15* (!) times the price. For 300EUR I'd say it would be a fair offer. Yeah, sure, low volume production and such, but hence the 300 EUR.

Atom board: http://shop.e-bug.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p238816&refID=FR
Sam460: http://www.vesalia.de/d_sam460ex.htm

[haywirepc]

I never understood the fascination with power pc, or people's insistance to stay on it. Sure it would be a nice option if the price was competitive with other similar performing platforms, but its not. (with morphos it is!)
 
While other platforms get faster, amiga os4 platforms stay more or less the same speed... Unless x1000 ever comes out but with an extra core thats useless... Who cares?  
 
You are paying tons extra to have so much less performance, oh and lets not get started on the browsing experience of os4.
 
paying 1000$ for a 700mhz computer and os is just crazy. My android phone cost 200$ and is 1ghz dual core. Browsing is better on my android too, and it can of course use both cores.
 
And another thing, os4 is last on my list after aros and morphos.
Sam 460 is just another letdown from the os4 camp. I'm a huge amiga fan, but I will likely NEVER have an os4 machine. They are just too slow and
os4 is just too shitty to justify that kind of expense.
 
Steven

[Iggy]

I never understood the fascination with power pc, or people's insistance to stay on it. Sure it would be a nice option if the price was competitive with other similar performing platforms, but its not. (with morphos it is!)
 
While other platforms get faster, amiga os4 platforms stay more or less the same speed... Unless x1000 ever comes out but with an extra core thats useless... Who cares?  
 
You are paying tons extra to have so much less performance, oh and lets not get started on the browsing experience of os4.
 
paying 1000$ for a 700mhz computer and os is just crazy. My android phone cost 200$ and is 1ghz dual core. Browsing is better on my android too, and it can of course use both cores.
 
And another thing, os4 is last on my list after aros and morphos.
Sam 460 is just another letdown from the os4 camp. I'm a huge amiga fan, but I will likely NEVER have an os4 machine. They are just too slow and
os4 is just too shitty to justify that kind of expense.
 
Steven

But we already know your opinion Steven. I can't explain why i'm holding on to PPC. The prices are high. If someone manages to port AROS to the PS3, we will have our first low cost PPC system since the Efika ended production,
I'm happy with the performabce of my 1.8 Ghz 7447A, Its definitely superior to an Atom. And I've got a line on a 2.5 Ghz G5 which will definately boost performance.
I'm going tp leave X86 to the AROS crowd (even if it means they get the top performing CPUs).
But we ought to be looking at ARM. The prices are low, the performance is adequate  for our needs, and (more importantly) its not X86.

[haywirepc]

Yes I hope they port to arm too. I will be the first to buy os4 for arm if its available on low cost hardware like the beagleboard or similar...

[TheGoose]

So what happens when Hyperion surprises everyone and supports Mac Mini G4, under cutting all of this Alt-Amiga stuff? They make the OS, not the hardware. Would it not be in their interest to sell copies of their OS?

Or is the money being made on the hardware-relationship with Acube? All very weird.

[gazgod]

Uh, let's see. They both run Amiga OS 4,1 and the Peg will also run MorphOS. Plus the Peg is faster.

So you kept the SAM, right?  :roflmao:

LOL

I kept the peg, having sold the Sam when OS4 was announced for the peg but I was so disappointed with OS4 on the Sam I never bothered to buy it.

I actually felt that my 3000 and 4000 running 3.9 were a step up from OS4, at least they have USB support that doesn't destroy data and drives, and have USB2 speed. Morphos just feel light years ahead.

I like the Sam hardware but it is far to expensive, and its only use outside Acube's industrial market is as a hardware dongle for OS4. I just hope that the industrial customers aren't lumbered with Uboot, IMHO the worst boot manager its ever been my misfortune to use.

Gaz

[Golem!dk]

So what happens when Hyperion surprises everyone and supports Mac Mini G4, under cutting all of this Alt-Amiga stuff? They make the OS, not the hardware. Would it not be in their interest to sell copies of their OS?

Or is the money being made on the hardware-relationship with Acube? All very weird.

I think Ben Hermans wants to sell you both hardware and operating system.

[TheGoose]

I think Ben Hermans wants to sell you both hardware and operating system.

Ah gawd, after reading, it's like they're pissing in the wind. All people want is a mac mini AOS4 machine. Why they go through all this trouble I can't understand. Just a few drivers and install issues away from Valhalla, so frustrating.

"A. To be honest it’s a labour of love for some of the A-EON founders (mentioning no names), however we still believe there is a real demand for high-end Amiga computers."

WRONG. How about one that just works good, and then we can talk about uber machines later. Crawl, walk, run, last I checked, was the way to get somewhere.