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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #254 from previous page: January 12, 2011, 08:56:21 AM »
Any hardware needs updating. There is not a single piece of electronic equipment that doesn't require a firmware upgrade or a fix. So if you think that your pc is perfect out of the box then think again.

It's all down to the manufacturer to rectify the products they have released with later firmware updates, fixes  etc...

In the "pc" world you see it all the time. Boards manufacturers like Asus, Gigabyte, MSI etc...release boards that later on require adjusting, this is when you have a little trip to the manufacturer's website and download firmwares and drivers to fix things that are not right in the first place.
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #255 on: January 12, 2011, 09:10:30 AM »
@TheDaddy

Yes, most things will require updates etc. like you say, but that doesn't mean that people need the updates. If it works 100% as they want it to, then good for them. The fixes probably wouldn't make a jot of difference to them.  I keep all my BIOSes up-to-date, but most of the time there isn't a single noticeable difference in the before and after machine.

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #256 on: January 12, 2011, 09:18:07 AM »
@Deadalus

>>Yes, most things will require updates etc. like you say, but that doesn't mean that people need the updates.

Most people won't but most people would benefit from updating. If you look at the manufacturer's sites you'll see lots of updates and this tells you that manufacturer (like software developers) release their product without proper testing in the knowledge that they have an escape route.

The same goes for the "crappy" A1 board...IF the manufacturer had the power, money, time, balls to sort it out then the A1 wouldn't have been as bad as it has been reported.
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #257 on: January 12, 2011, 09:20:06 AM »
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You mean everyone doesn't do it?   :)

After thinking about it for a minute, I think I came up with a nice answer....

It's just a continuation of our early history and style from the begining of trans American travel when our wagons were actually made out of wood.  ... like this.....

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&q=wagon%20conestoga

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I assumed it was something like that. Funny how that cultural heretage can carry over to printed woodgrain cladding on a car.

Still wood-grain on the exterior of a car is just... weird.
 
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #258 on: January 12, 2011, 09:42:24 AM »
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I would say Fab's version of OWB is far better then firefox ... but that's me. =]


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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #259 on: January 12, 2011, 09:45:01 AM »
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well there's been some great new software and ports coming out lately...Hollywood, Blender and Timberwolf to name a few.  As for Fab helping out kas1e on the OWB port..yes that's great as a temporary small gap but I'm sure most of us are awaiting the final release of Timberwolf with much more excitement ;)



Well Hollywood is the only thing on that list that is new amiga software. Blender and Twolf are both Linux ports... not only this but Timberwolf development has slowed to a crawl as hyperion are working on Classic OS4.x and x1000 port..
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #260 on: January 12, 2011, 10:00:12 AM »
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@Deadalus

Most people won't but most people would benefit from updating. If you look at the manufacturer's sites you'll see lots of updates and this tells you that manufacturer (like software developers) release their product without proper testing in the knowledge that they have an escape route.

The same goes for the "crappy" A1 board...IF the manufacturer had the power, money, time, balls to sort it out then the A1 wouldn't have been as bad as it has been reported.


I don't think that many people would benefit. Most manufacturers are under pressure from competition to get their products out the door in order to make any sort of a profit and get some market share, so it's understandable that they don't get the rigorous testing that they probably should. If they spend an extra 2 months testing a product, their competitor will have their product out there with a 2 month head start, and people will choose the one that's on sale over the one that isn't, even if it needs updates.

However, they're tested in the common configurations, which means that most people won't require fixes. A lot of updates that I install have absolutely nothing which affects me because I don't use IDE or I don't use serial or hadn't notices a slight slowdown in graphics throughput because I'm not a gamer etc. Although some updates do fix issues that noticeably affect me, they're in the minority.

Bear in mind too that people will use motherboards etc. with hardware that the motherboard manufacturer couldn't test with, either because it didn't exist yet, or the standard wasn't finalised, or because only 0.01% of the population will ever want to add extra serial ports or whatever.

That A1 board is a completely different beast though - we all know about the issues with that and there isn't an excuse really...
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #261 on: January 12, 2011, 10:04:50 AM »
Read a few pages and got bored rather quickly.

C=USA is clearly trying to de-rail A-Eon's/Hyperion's attempt to bring a new computer running AmigaOS.  Simple as that.

Its obvious... consider the facts.

1) They are calling their linux distribution Workbench.  If C=USA do go ahead and actually bring something to market Hyperion will sue and C=USA will lose.

2) They are calling this distribution version 5.  When it should be version 1; clearly set to confuse the consumer into thinking 'ooo cool this must be a long overdue update to version Workbench 3 I remember back in the day.'  This is a clearly a case of viral marketing.

3) Imagery.  Using images without permission, making banner look like A.org etc.  Using images that are not appropriate to the products they are licensed to sell.

4) External forum site that can easily be disassociated from/with the C=USA website when it goes tits up.  Leaving these 'C=USA' fans disillusioned.

6) $30 million TV marketing campaign for Christmas 2010... which never happened.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #262 on: January 12, 2011, 10:09:34 AM »
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I would say Fab's version of OWB is far better then firefox ... but that's me. =]

Wow..... I use OWB for MorpOS on my machine and as far as Amiga browsers go it is the best non alpha state browser but to say it is better than Firefox your now entering the realm of fantasy unless you are just joking then funny it is :roflmao::lol::laughing:
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #263 on: January 12, 2011, 10:19:08 AM »
@Deadalus

>>I don't think that many people would benefit. Most manufacturers are under pressure from competition to get their products out the door in order to make any sort of a profit and get some market share, so it's understandable that they don't get the rigorous testing that they probably should.

That doesn't make it right. Same could be said of the first A1 boards, and I underline the fact that I never bought one so I am not defending it. It is just not right to "understand" a manufacturer because they don't do rigorous testing and blame another.

Also take into account the size of companies like Gigabye or Asus.
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #264 on: January 12, 2011, 10:32:09 AM »
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Yeah, I get your point, and the A1 was never meant to be anything more than a developer board, and were made in such small numbers that they couldn't do the sort of testing that Asus do for example. I develop hardware for a living, the precision robotics / embedded computer type which we sell in similar numbers to the A1, and we have to draw a line to say we've done enough testing, even though we haven't absolutely tested it to death. We simply can't afford the time or the cost associated with such testing. However, 90% of our customers don't have a single issue and 10% of our customers do. So we release updated software, firmware, hardware. The A1 OTOH exhibits issues in what seems to be a majority of cases. Most people have fixed theirs, but faults that show up in significant numbers should be caught at testing, regardless of how large or small the company or production run is. I can't imagine ASUS for example releasing a motherboard which had faulty USB sockets for example, and we would never release a machine with those sort of faults either.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #265 on: January 12, 2011, 10:46:36 AM »
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That is quite a silly statement


Not really I use them both firefox is a bloated pos =]
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #266 on: January 12, 2011, 10:50:05 AM »
Firefox has indeed swelled out, but if you do web development, some of the plugins available for it are simply peerless.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #267 on: January 12, 2011, 10:53:09 AM »
But then we aren't talking about the browser anymore we're talking about the available plugins =P


Oh and the font rendering engine in Firefox blows in comparison to webkit btw =]

PS.  Speaking of developmental plugins Chrome is starting to get quite a few nice ones lately =]
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #268 on: January 12, 2011, 10:55:48 AM »
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Wow..... I use OWB for MorpOS on my machine and as far as Amiga browsers go it is the best non alpha state browser but to say it is better than Firefox your now entering the realm of fantasy unless you are just joking then funny it is :roflmao::lol::laughing:


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He was referring to x86 version of FF.. hence the silliness.. cmon man.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #269 on: January 12, 2011, 11:01:51 AM »
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Fairdinkem

He was referring to x86 version of FF.. hence the silliness.. cmon man.


I was referring to the main browser not the available plugins(which won't instantly become available when ff comes to any OS anyways). =]
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