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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #239 from previous page: January 12, 2011, 04:10:25 AM »
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and that can mean something entirely different in the USA...  :D

Yes, even my wife would agree, woodies are ALWAYS in style.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #240 on: January 12, 2011, 04:11:00 AM »
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Pentium 4, Good God we dumped that trash 10 years ago, where you living in the dark ages.



Wow you threw away 2 month old machines!! (as the Pentium 4 was launched November 2000).

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #241 on: January 12, 2011, 04:22:04 AM »
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re Solargen:  What is it with Americans and wood-grain on station wagons?  :)


You mean everyone doesn't do it?   :)

After thinking about it for a minute, I think I came up with a nice answer....

It's just a continuation of our early history and style from the begining of trans American travel when our wagons were actually made out of wood.  ... like this.....

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&q=wagon%20conestoga

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #242 on: January 12, 2011, 04:53:49 AM »
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You mean everyone doesn't do it?   :)

After thinking about it for a minute, I think I came up with a nice answer....

It's just a continuation of our early history and style from the begining of trans American travel when our wagons were actually made out of wood.  ... like this.....

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&gs_rfai=&q=wagon%20conestoga

Plaz

You can even go farther than that in history:

http://www.instructables.com/image/FHYKN1GF82EU8HQ/Toddler-Flintstone-Car.jpg

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WnDyKKovHnIdBM:http://www.comptropolis.com/article/images_1/flintstones-car.jpg&t=1
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #243 on: January 12, 2011, 05:38:52 AM »
*looks at his P4 daily driver....

Garbage?  I can play 1080p matroskas on it...geforce 7000...I can code java in eclipse and python in vim.  I could also do that on a MorphOS box.  I'll toss the P4 when it is absolutely finished.  Part of the love I get from Amiga old skool is saving silicon from someone's melt-down shop in Bangladesh.  I had fired up a copy of memacs that came on my A2000-it was fine!  Loved it, in fact.  My code looks just as pretty on it as it does on this machine.  Of course, I have no way of getting it OFF my a2000, but all in due time.  It's what makes me happy.
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #244 on: January 12, 2011, 05:43:04 AM »
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*looks at his P4 daily driver....

Garbage?  I can play 1080p matroskas on it...geforce 7000...I can code java in eclipse and python in vim.  I could also do that on a MorphOS box.  I'll toss the P4 when it is absolutely finished.  Part of the love I get from Amiga old skool is saving silicon from someone's melt-down shop in Bangladesh.  I had fired up a copy of memacs that came on my A2000-it was fine!  Loved it, in fact.  My code looks just as pretty on it as it does on this machine.  Of course, I have no way of getting it OFF my a2000, but all in due time.  It's what makes me happy.

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #245 on: January 12, 2011, 05:51:36 AM »
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*looks at his P4 daily driver....

Garbage?  I can play 1080p matroskas on it...geforce 7000...I can code java in eclipse and python in vim.  I could also do that on a MorphOS box.  I'll toss the P4 when it is absolutely finished.  Part of the love I get from Amiga old skool is saving silicon from someone's melt-down shop in Bangladesh.  I had fired up a copy of memacs that came on my A2000-it was fine!  Loved it, in fact.  My code looks just as pretty on it as it does on this machine.  Of course, I have no way of getting it OFF my a2000, but all in due time.  It's what makes me happy.


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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #246 on: January 12, 2011, 05:57:34 AM »
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #247 on: January 12, 2011, 06:39:52 AM »
I never understood the pride of using old PC hardware.  Get yourself a Kill-A-Watt, and measure how much it costs you to run those beasts.  My Core 2's have completely paid for themselves with electricity savings over their predecessors, while running way faster.  Heck, my the Core 2 and Atom HTPCs I replaced my satellite receivers with last April are just about to hit the payoff point.
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #248 on: January 12, 2011, 06:47:49 AM »
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I never understood the pride of using old PC hardware.  Get yourself a Kill-A-Watt, and measure how much it costs you to run those beasts.  My Core 2's have completely paid for themselves with electricity savings over their predecessors, while running way faster.  Heck, my the Core 2 and Atom HTPCs I replaced my satellite receivers with last April are just about to hit the payoff point.

I've played around with the numbers, and even with my computers completely unplugged my electric bill barely moves.  Considering if I bought a new high end machine for each processor changeover (I'll say 2- one for core2 or quad extreme and one for i7 or Phenom) at a couple grand a pop I still haven't covered that cost in electricity by a loooong shot.  I doubt there is much power draw difference between a p4 and a core2.  Now either of those compared to the A2000...

EDIT:  I'll tell you what DOES affect my electricity bill--teenagers.  I come home- every light on in the house plus the bathroom fans, them staring into the back of the refrigerator with the door wide open for god knows how long..."Dude, there's nothing to eat!"
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #249 on: January 12, 2011, 07:07:33 AM »
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I've played around with the numbers, and even with my computers completely unplugged my electric bill barely moves.  Considering if I bought a new high end machine for each processor changeover (I'll say 2- one for core2 or quad extreme and one for i7 or Phenom) at a couple grand a pop I still haven't covered that cost in electricity by a loooong shot.  I doubt there is much power draw difference between a p4 and a core2.  Now either of those compared to the A2000...

EDIT:  I'll tell you what DOES affect my electricity bill--teenagers.  I come home- every light on in the house plus the bathroom fans, them staring into the back of the refrigerator with the door wide open for god knows how long..."Dude, there's nothing to eat!"


Im assuming the TV is on, and music is playing in at least 2 rooms too ;)
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #250 on: January 12, 2011, 07:30:18 AM »
My Athlon X2 with an nVidia video card drew 190 watts peak and idled at 160 watts.  My quad core Core 2 with Intel X4500 peaks at 60 watts and idles at 40.  My Revo media PC with nVidia Ion peaks at 20 watts and idles at 5.

Sleep didn't really work well with the Athlon, so it basically ran 24/7.  That put it's power usage at ~115kwh/month.  At the California rate of $.037/kwh, it cost ~$43/month to run.  Sleep works much better on my Core 2, so it run ~16 hours a day.  That put's it's power usage at ~24kwh/month costing ~$9.  That gives me a savings of $34/month.  Everything in the machine is faster, including the video, and the system cost only $500.  That means replacing the machine took 14 months to pay for itself.  Now, I realize that some place pay a third for electricity than we do, but even then a P4 would easily pay for it's own replacement.  It would just take a few years instead of 1.

The Revo's atom is as fast as a P4, and the video is better than anything that came in a P4.   Even if your in one of those amazing places that sell you electricity at $0.10/kwh, it would take in the range of a year to replace the P4.

My wife's brand new laptop with an i5 draws 30-50 watts, and only cost $700.  I have no idea where you spend $2k on computers.  Even most Macs don't cost $2k.

Edit:
OK, I reread your post.  Your comparing apples to oranges.  You don't replace a P4 with a high end PC.  You replace a P4 with a $200 net top.  You will get equal performance, and a massive drop in electric usage.  Why would you feel the need to buy a high end computer if a P4 is even usable?  A $500 PC will give you massive speed ups over a P4.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #251 on: January 12, 2011, 07:54:42 AM »
While Im the sort of guy who generally likes to keep reasonably uptodate with the pc world I can completely understand why some people are happy with thier 5-10 year old machine. X86 hardware hit a spot a long time ago where for a lot of usage there's simply no need to upgrade. Sure theyre technically miles faster, but for some people that's pretty moot, depending on thier needs.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #252 on: January 12, 2011, 07:57:34 AM »
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While Im the sort of guy who generally likes to keep reasonably uptodate with the pc world I can completely understand why some people are happy with thier 5-10 year old machine. X86 hardware hit a spot a long time ago where for a lot of usage there's simply no need to upgrade. Sure theyre technically miles faster, but for some people that's pretty moot, depending on thier needs.


My machine is fairly modest in the big picture (2.4 dual core, 4 gigs RAM) but as I dont play hardcore PC games, I have a hard time imagining anything I'd need more horsepower for.

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #253 on: January 12, 2011, 08:37:17 AM »
I get that faster machines are not necessarily going to give you more, but modern machines will give you equal performance at a fraction of the power envelope, and thus paying for themselves.  It is not uncommon to see Pentium 4s with power draws over 200 watts.  That compared to an equivalent Atom running at 20 watts.  It's not a matter of getting more processing power, it is a question of TCO.
 

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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #254 on: January 12, 2011, 08:56:21 AM »
Any hardware needs updating. There is not a single piece of electronic equipment that doesn't require a firmware upgrade or a fix. So if you think that your pc is perfect out of the box then think again.

It's all down to the manufacturer to rectify the products they have released with later firmware updates, fixes  etc...

In the "pc" world you see it all the time. Boards manufacturers like Asus, Gigabyte, MSI etc...release boards that later on require adjusting, this is when you have a little trip to the manufacturer's website and download firmwares and drivers to fix things that are not right in the first place.