Generation X - Rebels Without A Clue...

[Kesa]

The most absurd statements came from the authors and so called "Generation X" diddies who wrote games like "9/11 Survivor" and claim that these games actually put the player in a place where they could experience what it really feels like to be in an actual real life, life or death situation... No you stupid twats it's a game on a computer screen and until you actually experience a life or death situation in real life no computer game is ever going to cause you to physically shit yourself or actually kill someone else in order to save your own life...

Have you actually played some of these modern games? It's not an attack but i think for someone to criticise something they first have to know what they are talking about. You have many times  in the past stated you have no interest in modern games and hardware but at the same time you are quick to dismiss them

I think some games like call of duty are quite realistic. I feel this game has taught me a lot and it has been a real opener in certain ways. Same for other games too. Also don't forget about VR which has been used succesfully to treat certain conditions. My point is games can approach a certain realism that can not be denied.

[Kesa]

You've obviously not got a Degree.

Actually i do. I have a degree in Accountancy and this coming November i will have a degree in Finance as well. That's 2 degrees.

[Franko]

Have you actually played some of these modern games? It's not an attack but i think for someone to criticise something they first have to know what they are talking about. You have many times  in the past stated you have no interest in modern games and hardware but at the same time you are quick to dismiss them.

I think some games like call of duty are quite realistic. I feel this game it has taught me a lot and it has been a real opener in certain ways. Same for other games too. Also don't forget about VR which has been used succesfully to treat certain conditions. My point is games can approach a certain realism that can not be denied.

Yes I have tried them and seen them, my nephew owns just about every modern gaming console there is along with all the games...

I am quick to dismiss them because to me they all look and play the same (and as I have said I have tried them), it's only my opinion but to me they are mind numbing trash...

As for realism that's the worst part of them if I want realism I just have to watch a modern movie with all the latest computer generated effects. All this so called realistic GFX in modern computer games to me takes away the feel that you actually playing a game...

I like my games to have a bit of depth and require me to use my brain for the most part and have GFX that make you realise your actually playing a computer game and not just participating in what's really nothing more than an interactive video...

Sorry if that doesn't fit in with you opinions of these things, but that's just my own honest view on this subject and you did ask...

[Retro_71]

Have you actually played some of these modern games? It's not an attack but i think for someone to criticise something they first have to know what they are talking about. You have many times  in the past stated you have no interest in modern games and hardware but at the same time you are quick to dismiss them

I think some games like call of duty are quite realistic. I feel this game has taught me a lot and it has been a real opener in certain ways. Same for other games too. Also don't forget about VR which has been used succesfully to treat certain conditions. My point is games can approach a certain realism that can not be denied.

Realistic hmmm maybe boring as hell ofcourse and before you say anything i actually have all those games on steam, inc black ops and bad company 2 etc etc although with a whole mess of others.. funny thing is i can't stand to play them more then an hour before i get bored and yes i am quite good at them.

Also to state that games like call of duty has taught you anything??
Have you ever held a real gun and pointed at something/someone living and pull the trigger?

I think these day young people take games to seriously... unless you are using educational software i don't see how you can learn from them.. and lol trying to put first person shooters in real world would be a great way to get your self dead. Trust me no matter how much the "dynamics" are "real" there not...... well not when it comes to snipering and ballistics.

[nicholas]

Actually i do. I have a degree in Accountancy and this coming November i will have a degree in Finance as well. That's 2 degrees.

I'll take your two degrees and raise you my Masters.

How you can seriously believe that University is only for the privileged I'll never know.

[Franko]

I have to disagree with a lot that has been written here.

I saw the documentary as well and thought it was OK until they got to generation x. I thought it was silly and i didn't think it represented modern gamers in any way. It was not an accurate depiction of modern games and gamers. But i also think the part about the mods was correct but i feel people on this thread have misinterpreted what it means. In my opinion mods are the beggining of a possible future of games where gamers are not relient on game companies and are instead able to make thier own games themselves. So this would be correct that they are fighting the establishment. An example of this would be freedoom. Also if you look at the recent rise in popularity of internet games such as java and flash as well as smartphone apps you will see that these games are so simple that anyone can make them. This is fighting the establishment in my opinion.

Another thing. Everyone is quick here to laugh off the modders rebelling against the establishment as being silly. It's funny because it kind of sounds like amigans turning to aros as a way to "fight the establishment"   :confused:

You say you watched the doc but go on to say that these modders are going to  be the ones who will create the future games without the big software companies being a part of it.

Kesa if you listened carefully to what was said in the doc you would realise the games being modded are produced by the companies these numpties claim to be fighting against and none of these so called modders actualy write the games in the first place. So therefore the thicko modders who can't write a game to begin with would have nothing to mod without some software company producing it in the first place...

And yes it is funny to listen to them claiming to be fighting the establishment when they are silly buggers buying the games & consoles from the establishment in the first place and not even having the sense to realise this...

(I assume from your anger here you are a modder...

[Franko]

Many years ago the local Tory councillor wannabe was trying to drum up votes in the pub.  She started waffling on about all the standard far right bullshit they come out with off-camera and made the mistake of mentioning the word "society" within my earshot.........

"But there is no such thing as society" I shouted across to her

"According to who EXACTLY?" said she.

"Margaret f**king Thatcher!" I replied.

She proceeded to leave the pub.

:lol: Well done my friend...

It's funny how most Tories seem to forget that infamous statement...

(Still looking forward to the day the old bag dies, the celebrations should be a sight to behold...

[Retro_71]

Modder or not the silliest claim comes from learning from games?? HUH?? again like i said what can you learn with a first person shooter or rpg or adventure game or any games except educational. Better to stick your head out of the window and see real life.....

[Kesa]

What have i learn't from call of duty? Hmmmmmm.....

The randomness of war. How many times did you die before finishing a harder level? Yesterday it took maybe 50 attempts to finish one level on veteran difficulty. I wonder how many attempts i would get in real life?

Friendly fire. One of my biggest criticisms of the game is that you can't tell an enemy from an ally. Half the time i shoot at my own men because i can't tell the difference between them! Especially in multiplayer. I think this would be quite a realistic scenario in real life. How many people got shot in real life from friendly fire in WWII? Probably a lot.  

I am also aware it is only a game and i have never held a gun to someone in real life. But i definitely hold to the idea that you can learn from games.

Also the game is based on real life historic battles. Obviously they wouldn't be accurate in any way but they inspired me read up on them and do some reading. I did last night.

[Franko]

Also the game is based on real life historic battles. Obviously they wouldn't be accurate in any way but they inspired me read up on them and do some reading. I did last night.

At last someone who's actually able to think for himself and be inspired to actually take it beyond the realms or computer gaming...

I'm not being sarcastic or anything like that here Kesa, but you've just given me some hope for the younger generation again...thank you...

[Kesa]

You say you watched the doc but go on to say that these modders are going to  be the ones who will create the future games without the big software companies being a part of it.

Kesa if you listened carefully to what was said in the doc you would realise the games being modded are produced by the companies these numpties claim to be fighting against and none of these so called modders actualy write the games in the first place. So therefore the thicko modders who can't write a game to begin with would have nothing to mod without some software company producing it in the first place...

And yes it is funny to listen to them claiming to be fighting the establishment when they are silly buggers buying the games & consoles from the establishment in the first place and not even having the sense to realise this...

(I assume from your anger here you are a modder...

I'm not a modder but i do believe in anti consumerism

I think the point is that gamers are trying to take hold of their own gaming experience which can only be a good thing. I know that they don't actually make their own games but it's still a good push in the right direction.

Not exactly relevant but here it is. Maybe an example of modders successfully fighting the establishment would be Linux. Why pay hundreds of $ for windows 7 when you can use something just as good for free? I'm currently in the process of installing Ubuntu so i can run it with Windows 7 at the same time. The only reason i use windows 7 now and not switched over to Linux altogether is because i didn't pay for it. MS can blow me before i pay for overpriced crap.  I'm not really sure if you can associate modders and Linux together?

[Franko]

@ Kesa

Most folk (and I've seen it said on here numerous times) are of the belief that the days of one or a few folk sitting in their bedroom creating new games or hardware are a thing of the past and could never be repeated again as you need X amount of money behind you these days to be able to produce such things...

Me, I believe the exact opposite and no-one can give a valid reason as to why this could never be the case once again. I know I put down these modders guys for the reasons I've already given (right or wrong) but I do hope they succeed in becoming the next generation of bedroom coders. The only thing they need to get out of their head is the idea that they need to fight or try and bring down the big corporations (gawd... I'd love to see that).

If someone whether a group or individual can produce a piece of software or hardware that folk would be willing to buy then not even the big multi nationals could stop them, at the end of the day if you make a product that the consumer likes and is considered worth buying by them, then you'll have winner and no need to waste your time and effort fighting the establishment which unfortunately will always be there...

[Kesa]

I believe the future of gaming is interesting. It's definitely possible to make bedroom games as long as they are small enough. This would be perfect for smartphone apps etc.

On the other hand games in the 1980's took a few people a few weeks to make whereas today there may be hundreds of people working on a game that costs millions of dollars to make over several years at a time. It wouldn't be realistic to expect this to be done in bedrooms of amateur programmers.

In my opinion the future is big game companies joining forces with consumer gamers who also have programming skills (modders) to make a final product. Typically the casual gamer in the past had no knowledge of programming so their participation was limited to playing games only whereas today there are more and more consumer gamers who are also adept programmers so are in a position to participate more actively in a games development. This is going to only increase in the future. In the future games will be developed with modders and professional programmers working together as a team throughout the development of the game. This is the future of gaming.

[nicholas]

Android is what the next generation of bedroom coders are hacking on Frank.

[runequester]

Not wanting to get into a pissing match, but I find more educational value in strategy games than FPS stuff.
The biggest FPS game that really stood out to me, in the realism department was the Brothers in Arms games, as they actually had suppression fire, squad interactions and so on.

That's okay. I like the fast paced twitch shooters since it gets your adrenaline going and heart beating


In the end though, its all about what you enjoy. If you got something out of it, then its all good. If playing Call of Duty got you to go read about Stalingrad or Arras, then that's a win for everybody.

I own almost all the WW2 fps titles that came out for the PS2, and enjoyed all of them, mind you. Just different expectations I think, since I do a lot of wargames (computer and miniatures)

None of us have to justify our entertainment to anyone else

[Kesa]

None of us have to justify our entertainment to anyone else

Only if it's illegal!