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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 04, 2011, 02:02:22 PM »
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PC Games are nowhere, it is rare for the AAA titles from 360/PS3/Wii to get onto PC, but yes at present there are a few exceptions even if they run terribly and need 300% more expensive rigs to run on. I bet EA's sales revenue from PC sales is a nat's fart in the grand scheme of things, even compared to Apps Store iPhone game sales.


Conversely, I've found a few popular games which run far smoother and at higher resolutions and framerates on the PC than on, say, the XBOX360. True, the PC in question cost close to €900 to build, but it's also a mighty impressive Photoshop and video editing workstation, and emulates all machines up to GameCube and PS2 pretty effectively. Having said that, I prefer using consoles for my gaming due to the whole living room convenience aspect, and amongst my friends anyway it looks like consoles rule the average gaming market with only a few hardened, dedicated gamers using PCs
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2011, 02:16:19 PM »
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PC Games are nowhere, it is rare for the AAA titles from 360/PS3/Wii to get onto PC, but yes at present there are a few exceptions even if they run terribly and need 300% more expensive rigs to run on. I bet EA's sales revenue from PC sales is a nat's fart in the grand scheme of things, even compared to Apps Store iPhone game sales.

The 12 million+ subscribers to World of Warcraft (PC/Mac only) and the 1.8 million sales of Starcraft II within 24 hours of launching show that PC gaming isn't down the crapper by any stretch.  PC game distribution channels like Steam (recently ported to Mac as well) are doing better than ever with games for computers.

I do agree the console will continue to take a chunk out of the PC gaming market, but the idea one needs a $3000 PC to play a game as smoothly as a $200 XBox 360 would run it is insane.  Outside of notoriously hardware hungry games like the Far Cry/Crysis franchise, most PC games run just fine on "common household" PC's that cost $500 and do much more than a console can.  Many people still prefer PC gaming to consoles, and games like WoW that are immensely popular and not available on consoles show that.  I've rarely found a game I have wanted to purchase that isn't both available on PC and console, or in some cases - strictly PC like WoW and some Steam provided games.
 

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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2011, 02:17:04 PM »
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PC Games are nowhere, it is rare for the AAA titles from 360/PS3/Wii to get onto PC, but yes at present there are a few exceptions even if they run terribly and need 300% more expensive rigs to run on. I bet EA's sales revenue from PC sales is a nat's fart in the grand scheme of things, even compared to Apps Store iPhone game sales.


That's a somewhat exagerated summary. Dead Space(s), Alan Wake, EA Sports games, Dead Rising2, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil(s),Silent Hill(s),GTA series, Saints Row(s), Devil May Cry series (which used to be console exclusive), Street Fighter(s) and many, many others spring to mind, and Im not even a big PC gamer. Also the whole "you need an expensive gaming rig" is a crock. A $500 gaming rig will typically outdo either ps3/xbox360 by a long shot, both in resolution, image quality, and effects. Sure a person can spend more if they want to increase the margin even further, but the console offerings are a little compromised in comparison to what a PC can offer these days.
Sure, pc gaming isnt as dominant as it once was, but it's far from dead, and personally while I like my xbox360 and use it more than my gaming pc, slowly but surely gaming on the pc is becoming more appealing thanks to the considerably better audiovisual experience.

At the end of the day I dont care too much, but the increasing frequency of hearing this sort of garbage makes it hard for me to bite my tongue sometimes.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2011, 03:16:30 PM »
At the risk starting an argument, can some one please explain to me how a dead platform can "play catch up"?
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2011, 03:18:08 PM »
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Aros doesn't run on 90% of the PC's I own, nor on my SAM 440, so it's as useless as a bag full of nipples to me regardless of what chips it runs on.  I've had nothing but misery out of Aros trying to run it on "modern" gear, and having to scour eBay for old video cards to run it, nah.  That being said, my recent experience with Morph was extremely pleasant, and OS 4 works great on the SAM.  I hope all AmigaOS variants continue to be developed for us grunts to fiddle around with, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for any of them to overtake Linux, OS X, or Windows....


I have tried Aros on a wide variety of hardware with video from Nvidia to Ati and several integrated chipsets from Nvidia, Ati, and Intel. Cpus from PIII and Celeron, to P4 and Athlon64. Soundcards from ancient to brand new, add-in or integrated. And I have found less than 10% that it wouldn't run on. What gear is giving you trouble?

Seriously not putting you down or anything, but give it another try, and check the forums for help if you need. Aros really is maturing quite well. I don't think anyone thinks Aros will be a mainstream player, but it could easily become a usable everyday OS, it's well on it's way right now.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2011, 03:22:13 PM »
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At the risk starting an argument, can some one please explain to me how a dead platform can "play catch up"?


Aros, MorphOS, Minimig, and OS4 are direct decendants of Amiga and are currently being developed. When we say "Amiga" is alive it is the same as saying that Windows is still alive. Is Windows 3.0 still alive, no but it's decendent is. Same with MacOs etc.

The Commodore Amiga is dead but it's clones are still very much alive, and being developed.
Aros could very easily use this technology.  

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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2011, 03:39:16 PM »
Main issues I've had with Aros compatibility are that I generally use PCI/PCIe SATA cards for my drives, which I've never had Aros work well with.  It's my personal preference to use cards for SATA vs. onboard, so I can't fault the Aros team for not adding support for what is likely .001% of the hardware make up of their audience.  I refuse to run old and slow, outdated IDE components, and I prefer add on SATA controllers :)  Gfx cards have been very problematic as well for me ('d prefer not to be stuck with 2d), as the oldest gfx card I own is a 295.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2011, 03:53:32 PM »
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Main issues I've had with Aros compatibility are that I generally use PCI/PCIe SATA cards for my drives, which I've never had Aros work well with.  It's my personal preference to use cards for SATA vs. onboard, so I can't fault the Aros team for not adding support for what is likely .001% of the hardware make up of their audience.  I refuse to run old and slow, outdated IDE components :)  Gfx cards have been very problematic as well for me ('d prefer not to be stuck with 2d), as the oldest gfx card I own is a 295.


Yeah, support for non-mainstream components like sata cards, and the newest video cards will always lag. Kindof like Linux in that respect. I always have tons of hardware so it is weird for me to not think in terms of how many complete setups could I build for a particular purpose.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2011, 04:38:17 PM »
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I do agree the console will continue to take a chunk out of the PC gaming market, but the idea one needs a $3000 PC to play a game as smoothly as a $200 XBox 360 would run it is insane.  Outside of notoriously hardware hungry games like the Far Cry/Crysis franchise, most PC games run just fine on "common household" PC's that cost $500 and do much more than a console can.  Many people still prefer PC gaming to consoles, and games like WoW that are immensely popular and not available on consoles show that.  I've rarely found a game I have wanted to purchase that isn't both available on PC and console, or in some cases - strictly PC like WoW and some Steam provided games.

Yep. This "game XXX will run the same way on a $3000 PC and a $200 Xbox360" is plain stupid. Game XXX will run on a $3000 PC at 4 times the resolution, on two/three monitors, with 3D glasses making it a far deeper experience, than how it would run on a $200 Xbox 360, which costs $200 and not $899 simply because it had been released 5 years ago. And any game running fine on a Xbox360 today has no problem at all running the same way (same resolution, same speed) on a cheap current PC.

Anyway, game market has changed a lot in the last 5 years, with AAA titles being mainly released for consoles, while PC gaming changed skin to a more casual or internet-oriented gaming market.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2011, 05:06:45 PM »
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At the expense of feeding a troll…and let’s face it….you are one….let’s talk about YOUR ISSUES.

I really don't understand why you have this personal vendetta against us. As though we have done something to you personally. I am trying to figure out the psychology of your endless and rather pointless trolling. Is it jealousy? Is it mother issues? What is it that compels you to behave in this fashion? To launch such vehement attacks against us so often? Because we have somehow bruised your sensibilities? Because we're not doing it your way? All I can think is, that you're just a little too sensitive or have crazy high expectations. All we're trying to do is get our business going, but I guess nothing will ever be good enough for you. We’ve made mistakes, sure. But something about the brands is making you act obsessively crazy in regard to us. This is pretty clear to any observer.

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First of all, your the only known buyer of the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it that we know of, and you ended up
being the new "Chief technical officer" of this "company" which is a voicemail box at someone's house. That fact alone makes me laugh
everytime I hear anything from you.
I had enough enthusiasm to get a Phoenix as soon as it was available. If it hadn’t have arrived and I wasn’t happy with it would I still be talking about the company favourably? I contacted Commodore USA with advice regarding technology and strategy. That, my efforts behind the scenes, my rapport with Barry, and my enthusiasm for the company, and my qualifications, led to me being offered a position. You question my involvement as though it would be better if a troll was in charge of technology?

As for the phone, well, you gotta start somewhere. Were you expecting a call center already? Do Hyperion have a contact number? Do MorphOS team? I wonder.
Did you get swept up in the Commodore name and not realise we’re a start up? We never suggested we were anything else.

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Second of all, they already announced several other products that they backpedaled on and never released. All those products were someone else's computer with a new fancy name and a commodore sticker slapped on them. All those products dissapeared from the website without any explanation.
It is totally within our rights to remove items from our website as you would from any store font. You make it seem like we've committed a crime or something. A website is like a regular shop, and like any vendor we reserve the right to remove products whenever we please. My goodness, I have never heard such whining over such nonsense before. Like we owe you an explanation for something we didn't even put for sale on the market. But here it is anyway for your edification. What happened is that we reassessed the products and the market for them and reacted accordingly by removing them from our site. They may come back when/if we want to sell them. Most normal people don't care at all. You sir, are not normal, to put it kindly.

Secondly, of course these products are manufactured by others, just as most consumer electronics are. We don’t hide that fact, and have the companies displayed prominently on our strategic partner page. We will have a degree of exclusivity in certain markets on some products and on others absolute exclusivity in most regions. Why must all hardware be built from scratch? That kind of mentality gets you into a never ending beta-testing cycle, which sounds strangely familiar. No thanks. This method suits us, even if it doesn’t suit you.

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You made announcements claiming you had a 30 million dollar advertising budget and that ads would be on national televsion by the holidays.
Yeah, sorry your highness. We weren't able to get the C64x ready in time for Christmas as we hoped, so why on earth would we advertise. Oh well, I guess you'll have to wait. What a crime! I’ve never heard of a company missing a schedule in this Amiga sphere.

As for the advertising budget...that is projected over a number of years of course, and while the number may sound obscene it is actually par for the course.

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Don't assume that anyone here wants to hear your bullshit.
Don't assume it's bullshit, but I guess you’re not one that will ever be convinced. I wrote a few lines on this forum bearing our licensed Amiga name. We have every right to post here, as I have personally for the last several years. I fail to understand why we cannot be treated with the same courtesy as any other project, or have things devolved on A.org to the point that this is now the standard treatment.

Also, we’re not trying to do the impossible you know. We're going to try to sell PCs, and from the requests and interest we have seen so far, we've got a good shot at doing well. From our point of view things are moving way too fast behind the scenes..lots and lots of things to sort out in terms of infrastructure..but you seem to think they're moving too slow. Oh well. Rome was not built in a day.

We’ve stated several times that Workbench is a Linux distro, so why must you assume it is going to be much more at this stage. We need to get to market quickly. We’ve hardly got a tonne of proprietary stuff we could put on top of it right out the gate. Let’s see what this evolves into. It’s merely a beginning. It’s your expectations that are a little high, and you’re attacking us based on those high expectations. Why can’t you see this for the fun thing it is? You’re such a killjoy.

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Ship some products and stop talking and making announcements.
So everyone must do everything you say. A post or two a month and you're getting your knickers in a knot.
Making a noise is something all businesses must do. If you don't want to hear it then I suggest you just avoid it. We've only had the brands for 3 months. Did you expect a revolution already?

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Your ceo threatened to sue osnews.com for stating facts
No, he did more than just state facts. Based on merely a poorly designed website he went on the verge of defamation. Sorry it can't all be perfect from day one, but that doesn't make us a scam. Everyone who has bought a product has had the goods shipped to my knowledge, including myself. The store is closed for the moment, so we aren't taking anyone's money until we have our new products ready. And if that takes time, then I don’t know why you should care, as you aren’t in the market for our products anyway.

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Gee I don't remember seeing any commodore ads... Oh thats right your own ad agency said they didn't even start filming anything yet.
Our advertising agency is far too professional to give information over the phone about clients and were forewarned about fans. You have to be lying about talking to them. We’ve seen a tonne of concept videos and advertising pitches and we’re actually scurrying to get some TV spots (in a certain region) quite soon. We’re getting ourselves ready for an advertising push in late March. Sorry we can't work to your schedule, but it is actually *our* money we're spending. But I guess a little patience is too much to ask.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2011, 06:21:56 PM »
Yes, a good way to promote your business is by personal attacks. Warranted or not time and time again you show nothing but deplorable actions. You do of course realise do you not that what you write online doesnt vanish once a thread is over and done with ? Just keep digging, youre doing most of us a great service.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2011, 06:22:03 PM »
That is the thing I don't get about how vicious some people seem to be about CUSA.  Nothing that CUSA is saying it will do is outside the bounds of what is possible.  Certainly it is easier to do than what MorphOS, AmigaOS or MiniMig have done.  If CUSA was promising custom hardware, or a new OS from scratch, I would be a lot more skeptical of them, but what they are promising is well within the reach of a start-up business.  Heck, it is well withing the reach of a few good hobbyists.

The biggest and most important key factor though is whether they have asked for money.  As long as they have not failed to deliver a product after collecting money, the worst they could be accused of is being big talkers.  That puts them in the same league a as the RetroReplay, and the Natami.  And I don't mean that as any kind of insult to Mike, or the Natami team.
 

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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2011, 06:30:55 PM »
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Sure, what they're hoping to sell is reasonable. The way they represent themselves isnt. A CTO gleefully announcing secrets contained within a private email on a public forum is, as I said earlier, not just bad business, but deplorable behavior (as bigbentheaussie did to clusteruk (a man who actually has done as much as he can for  amiga systems). If you didnt see the thread on aw.net then you may not understand why some people really dislike C-USA, but it wasnt just that "simple" either. He then went on to carry on like a child, half incognito to further insult clusteruk and phoenixconsole. I'll try to rustle up the thread Im talking about, it really was dispicable.
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2011, 06:43:47 PM »
Have no fear fishy_fiz, Commodore Amiga Iran will be much more professional than the joke that is CUSA have been so far.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2011, 06:45:15 PM »
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A CTO gleefully announcing secrets contained within a private email on a public forum is, as I said earlier, not just bad business, but deplorable behavior
Just for the record it wasn't actually me. And no, I don't condone that behavior. We've talked about it and I am assured that such a thing will not occur again.
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Re: Amigas turn to play catch up - new intel cpu
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2011, 06:48:24 PM »
Hehe.... the sad thing is that I know Commodore Amiga Iran is supposed to be a joke, and yet I'd be more likely to buy something from them than I would C-USA  :)
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.