Whatever Happened To The Real Amiga Community.

[tone007]

BULLOCKS.

[Iggy]

Or was that bollocks?

Hey Sandra! Show us your tits!

[mechy]

Damn Franko.
I'm not sure anyone gets that (without improper medication).

And the C64 isn't dead, but the Amiga is? As Franko might say, BULLOCKS. The C64 definately qualifies as a toy computer. When I see people porting web browsers and audio/video editing tools to it, then I'll change my mind on that one. But the C64 is little more than an NES with a keyboard.

Amiga is NOT dead and if its not alive, then it must be undead. That's it!
Amiga the undead computer has risen!

iggy,iggy,iggy.. The c64 does have web browser and irc clients,tcp/ip ethernet carts,and all sorts of goodies.you might wanna research a bit before sticking the old foot in the mouth lol..I am part of the amiga isn't dead crowd,but i don't expect it to rule the world,it is what it is. I don't see why it matters if some think its dead or not,it doesn't affect anything as tomorrow the situation is the same. i will still use my decked out 4000 and motor happily along.Sadly most people assumne since it does'nt run 3ghz and have 2,4,8+ cores,and run windows,its of no use.arguing with these guys is pointless.

use your amiga how you like and enjoy it.

[amigadave]

I think people spend too much time arguing whether the Amiga is dead or not. IMHO if people still enjoy using it then that is justification enough for the Amiga community to continue. We should be working on improving the Amiga experience rather than reiterating tired debate.

The debate is truly stupid and useless.  It only serves to lessen the value of this place.

Either use an Amiga for what ever purpose you think it is useful for, or don't.

Either work toward adding something to make the experience of using an Amiga more fun, interesting, or useful, or don't.

Hang around Amiga forum sites like this because you are interested in what is happening and want to know about the little Amiga news, or discuss related topics with other people interested in the Amiga, or don't.

What I don't understand, and what has become very tiresome, is reading the repetitive negative comments from people that continually try to convince the people that are still interested in using an Amiga for what ever reason, that they are wasting their time. (not related directly to the last several comments in this thread, just general comment about content here).

[KThunder]

The Commodore Amiga is dead.
It is as dead as OS/2, sure people may program for it and it may be useful for many things, but it is dead.

Aros, OS4, Pegasos, and others on the other hand are definitely not dead.

[Iggy]

The Commodore Amiga is dead.
It is as dead as OS/2, sure people may program for it and it may be useful for many things, but it is dead.

Aros, OS4, Pegasos, and others on the other hand are definitely not dead.

Amiga OS4? Aros (where the A stands for Amiga)? The Pegasos, designed for MorphOS (which is design to supercede AmigaOS)?

Sure the Commodore Amiga is dead (unless you want to count CUSA's proposed products), but the Amiga as a viable platform is still moving forward (even if we're not calling it Amiga).

And I appologize for the slight of the C64 (even though its hardware IS remarkably similar to an NES).

[save2600]

The Commodore Amiga is dead.
It is as dead as OS/2, sure people may program for it and it may be useful for many things, but it is dead.

Aros, OS4, Pegasos, and others on the other hand are definitely not dead.

Huh? The Amiga is not dead. Just ask Jens and everyone else still producing relevant and modern hardware for it. The Amiga community certainly isn't dead either. Until there are no longer any sites like this devoted to the Amiga and nobody is talking about or producing any hardware or any software at all, then I'd say the machine and its "spirit" would be dead. But that's not going to happen any time soon. I view the original legacy Amiga gear and these spinoffs as something of a family. Original Amiga computers being the "father or grandfathers", with Aros, Pegasos, MorphOS, A1K, etc. as the children and grandchildren  

If your definition of 'dead' reads: "nobody is currently producing actual legacy systems", then yeah - that's obvious. But surely the Amiga is just as or more "alive" than any other vintage or classic computing platform that I'm aware of.

[hceline]

I hate to burst your bubble, and I know we're talking potato, potato here, but any computer (or other system) without any hope whatsoever of a real commercial future is, in fact, dead.

Well, according to these standards Linux and opensource generally died some 3-5 yrs ago :rtfm:  
Yet both they and Amiga seems well alive and breathing from my point of view.

[Wayne]

Well, according to these standards Linux and opensource generally died some 3-5 yrs ago :rtfm:  .

No sir.  Sorry.

"Linux and open source" by it's very definition are non-commercial products, meaning they have NEVER been developed or intended for making a profit.  The Amiga -- dead as it is -- was created as a commercial venture and failed, last in 1994.

I sense much denial in you young padawan..  

Wayne

[runequester]

No sir.  Sorry.

"Linux and open source" by it's very definition are non-commercial products, meaning they have NEVER been developed or intended for making a profit.  The Amiga -- dead as it is -- was created as a commercial venture and failed, last in 1994.

I sense much denial in you young padawan..  

Wayne

Well, I think Intel, IBM, Red Hat, HP and Google disagree. Its just that the profit comes in a round about way.


As far as amiga being dead... I ordered a brand new accelerator card, and there's stuff like minimig. Maybe its undead?

[Iggy]

Well, I think Intel, IBM, Red Hat, HP and Google disagree. Its just that the profit comes in a round about way.


As far as amiga being dead... I ordered a brand new accelerator card, and there's stuff like minimig. Maybe its undead?

Maybe its a Living Dead computer.

[Wayne]

As far as amiga being dead... I ordered a brand new accelerator card, and there's stuff like minimig. Maybe its undead?

Tell you what.  Here's a test...

• If you can walk into ANY PLACE *except* an Amiga-related meeting or a computer store and ask 25 people "what is an Amiga?"
• AND get a 2/3 majority correct answer without prompting them in any way
• THEN ask the right answers where you can buy one and you don't get a "I don't think they make them any more" answer from 1/2 of them,
  

THEN I'll agree that the Amiga as a platform isn't dead.

... but we're talking about two different things here.  Logistics versus emotion.

I don't care about it whatsoever, so for me, I'm strictly saying "dead" in a "commercial, I can't go into a real store anywhere on the planet and buy a NEW (not NOS) one" sense.  

I'm talking logistics.  You're talking emotions.  Two different things.

Sorry.  I don't want to offend anyone with my opinion.  

If hanging out banging away on a 25-year-old machine is your thing, I'm VERY cool with that.  I just don't share that hobby any more so I can't agree with you on this point.

Personally, I find dicking around with old computers to be extremely frustrating,  which is one reason I both sold the site, and -- way before that --  bought a Mac.  Even though I owned the site from 1994 through 2009, I think I sold my last owned Amiga 3000 UX in.. hmmm..  1997?

That being said, I digress.  I've ruined this perfectly off-topic thread by re-assuming the seriousness I wanted to so desperately shed off.

Let's put down our respective weapons and have a toast to what once was, and to everyone's health and happiness.  I think that we can all agree on that, and this is -- after all -- the holiday season.

Merry Christmas, which I say not to offend anyone, but because it's apparently now not-politically-correct to say any more.

Wayne

[runequester]

Tell you what.  Here's a test...

• If you can walk into ANY PLACE *except* an Amiga-related meeting or a computer store and ask 25 people "what is an Amiga?"
• AND get a 2/3 majority correct answer without prompting them in any way
• THEN ask the right answers where you can buy one and you don't get a "I don't think they make them any more" answer from 1/2 of them,
  

THEN I'll agree that the Amiga as a platform isn't dead.

... but we're talking about two different things here.  Logistics versus emotion.

I don't care about it whatsoever, so for me, I'm strictly saying "dead" in a "commercial, I can't go into a real store anywhere on the planet and buy a NEW (not NOS) one" sense.  

I'm talking logistics.  You're talking emotions.  Two different things.

Sorry.  I don't want to offend anyone with my opinion.  

If hanging out banging away on a 25-year-old machine is your thing, I'm VERY cool with that.  I just don't share that hobby any more so I can't agree with you on this point.

Personally, I find dicking around with old computers to be extremely frustrating,  which is one reason I both sold the site, and -- way before that --  bought a Mac.  Even though I owned the site from 1994 through 2009, I think I sold my last owned Amiga 3000 UX in.. hmmm..  1997?

That being said, I digress.  I've ruined this perfectly off-topic thread by re-assuming the seriousness I wanted to so desperately shed off.

Let's put down our respective weapons and have a toast to what once was, and to everyone's health and happiness.  I think that we can all agree on that, and this is -- after all -- the holiday season.

Merry Christmas, which I say not to offend anyone, but because it's apparently now not-politically-correct to say any more.

Wayne

Yeah, its commercially dead for sure. No disagreement there.

I guess I just dont think it needs to be a commercial thing is all.

We all miss the glory days, but its different times now, and we should make the best of it.


And hell, Im a hardcore atheist and I wish people a merry f'ing christmas all the time so the PC brigade can bite me

[Wayne]

And hell, Im a hardcore atheist and I wish people a merry f'ing christmas all the time so the PC brigade can bite me

I think the term is "militant atheist".

As for me, I find myself gravitating more and more towards "Apathist" (which is more to the core of D&D "true neutral" to put it in perspective).

There may be a God.  There may be many Gods.  There may not.  I don't care..  



Drink up me heartees, yo' ho!

[Wayne]

Speaking of "funny as hell"...

Anyone catch Fleecy Moss' profile on Facebook?  Particularly the pictures of him in drag?  What a hoot.  If you don't believe me, go to FB and search for Fleecy Moss, then check out his photos.

Wayne

[hceline]

 The Amiga -- dead as it is -- was created as a commercial venture and failed, last in 1994.

And since it was once a commercial venture it must always stay a commercial venture? And the only other alternative is begin a dead platform? :confused:
When was this decided? I did not receive that memo!! :angry:

We got opensource hardware (minimig) in active development, and opensource software (Aros 68k) in active development; I can't really see where this fits with your postulated reality :rolleyes:

 
I sense much denial in you young padawan..  

Just fixxed my sig. :rtfm: