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Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« on: October 28, 2010, 11:40:44 PM »
After putting off the idea of buying a new PC or Mac and instead waiting for the X1000 or the Natami, I'm now wondering in the meantime if I should purchase a Mediator PCI set up.

I've been obsessed for so long with trying to get hold of a BVision RTG board for my Blizzard060/PPC that I'd totally forgot about the Mediator option. Therefore I was wondering does anyone use the Mediator and a Blizzard PPC card on an A1200 motherboard and if so what's the best GFX, Audio cards to use with it and any other bits and bobs that could be used with it.

I'm not very clued up on the abilities of the Mediator but my main reasons for using one would be for full colour GFX, 16 Bit Audio (playback & recording), also not sure how compatible it is software wise.

I would be hoping to use it with my Blizzard060/PPC 603 @ 60/240Mhz, anyone able to offer any advice on this... :)

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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 04:54:30 PM »
Hi Franko.

I have an Amiga 1200 with a Mediator SX board, but I also have a Apollo 1240 card instead of a Blizzard PPC, so what I write here might not be entirely relevant to your setup. But since nobody has replied to your post yet, I thought that I could give it a go.

I seem to recall that you have a custom made tower for your A1200, and if you want to install a mediator board in there, the first thing to do is to check if you have enough room inside your tower. The mediator comes with an adapter which is connected between the A1200 motherboard and the accelerator card, and the mediator itself is then connected to the adapter. This means that the total lenght (or height if you will) of the motherboard + adapter + accelerator is increased by ca 1cm. In other words, you should make sure that the height inside your tower is at least 43cm.

The standard way of powering up the motherboard on towerized A1200's has usually been to cut the cable from the original Amiga PSU and then connect the wires of the cable to an ATX PSU, but with the mediator you can forget about all this, because all you have to do is to connect the ATX PSU mb connector to the mediator, and then the A1200 motherboard + accelerator will be powered by the mediator instead! Another cool thing (in my opinion) with the latest mediator models is that it allows the user to turn off the Amiga in software (by using the PowerOff command).

As for attaching PCI cards to the mediator, it is recommended that the Ethernet card (if any) are mounted in the top slot, other cards should be mounted below that and the GFX card should be the last one (at the bottom), this is based upon problems I personally have encountered and solutions I have found on the net.

The best GFX card that will work with the mediator seems currently to be the Radeon 9200 type of cards, I personally use a Voodoo 3000 card, but I'm considering a upgrade to a Radeon card instead. Setting up the GFX card on the Amiga may be a bit confusing for beginners since it takes a while getting used to how the program for configuring screenmodes works, but once you understand this, all that is required are some patience since fine-tuning the modes can take a while.

When it comes to software compability, there shouldn't be any problems with programs that allows the user to select a screenmode in a system-friendly way, but unfortunately programs that lacks this feature + the vast majority of games can't be opened on a GFX card screen. Some of these programs can however be forced to open on a GFX card screen by using mode promotion software. All in all, I would recommend that you find a solution which allows you to switch between the Amigas native video output and the GFX card output. Personally I have a LCD TV with VGA input which I use for my Amiga, this allows me to view GFX card screens via VGA and Amiga native screens via SCART.

If you want a PCI sound card as well, you will have to find a way of combining the paula output with the sound card output, this can probably be done by using an external sound mixer, but the easiest way is to connect a cable from the Amigas audio ports to the sound cards Line In or AUX port, then you can connect Line Out on the sound card to whatever speakers/amplifier you are using.

If you use a PPC based MP3 decoder, you should probably be able to play MP3 files in full 16 bit quality while still being able to do other stuff on your Amiga as well. As for myself, I'm not so lucky since although I can theoretically play MP3 files with good quality, the actual decoding is still too slow.  


I hope that the stuff written above is of any help to you, and I'm more than willing to answer any questions you or others have regarding the mediator.
 

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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 05:12:49 PM »
After a truly horrific time trying to get a Micronik 6230* busboard to work, I would never expand a A1200 with something so dramatic again.  The 1200 was just not designed for it.

Get an A4000T and put the Mediator in that instead.

BTW that was about 9 years ago, so the HW will be even more flaky these days.



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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 08:22:48 PM »
Ive not used a Mediator, but have a grex1200. While performance of the mediator wasnt as good Im lead to believe that its a more reliable product and it'd be the route Id take if I was ever going to upgrade an a1200 to that extent again. If you want to use your amiga "seriously" RTG is an absolute essential and you'll find it hard to use AGA again after youre used to it. Quite possibley the best upgrade I ever did in terms of adding something to the Amiga OS experience (outshines a simple cpu upgrade, and I say that having bought a bppc card). If a person isnt against the idea of recasing thier a1200 no self respecting amiga user should be without RTG  :) Being that you also have a ppc card you'll open up new doors to what you can do with your amiga, albiet with the limited ppc software available, although even 680x0 software will get a kick in the pants.
Now as for graphics card, a Voodoo3 is probably your best option still. The Radeon cards that will work, while technically superior to the Voodoo3's dont have 3d acceleration, and the drivers arent nearly as mature, so the end results will favor the Voodoo3 on average. Sound card wise I dont think matters too much, as the hardware is too weak still to do much more than the absolute basics, and anything will be somewhat of an upgrade anyway. I personally just used an old sb 128.

I absolutely recommend something like a Mediator to someone like your good self who uses thier Amiga the vast majority of the time. It really can breathe new life into a classic machine. It also gives you the opportunity to use OS4.x if that's of any interest to you (although personally I think it's crazy to do so,.... too underpowered for "modern" use as OS4.x is intended, and you lose compatibility with anything requiring custom chipset, even if it's there).
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 08:41:03 PM »
I agree with Tension. Too much trouble, expense and hassle. I'd continue saving your money for that X1000 OR spring for a 1.5ghz Mac Mini G4 and do the MorphOS thing. My .02ยข anyway.
 

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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 08:56:31 PM »
Mediator is indeed a lot of trouble. I even prefer my AteoBus. Of course i own both.
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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 08:58:37 PM »
I never had a mediator but I wanted one for a long time to make a 1200 tower. If I have to switch monitors or flip a switch even,just to use amiga screen modes or play games, that seems like a huge PITA just to get a 24 bit color workbench. Sure you can use a network and sound card too but again, hassles. Instead I'm going to make a dedicated amiga emulation pc/aros machine. Drive c will boot windows in the background, using amiga os3.9 as the shell. I've done this before and it works great. Then you can use amikit or amiga in a box or amisys. All games work, everything works.
You'd never even know windows was underneath if you set it up well.
I'm going to get the new mouse/keyboard from amigakit for this machine.
 
My drive d: will have aros. I use the bios to switch which drive is the boot drive... Easier than dealing with lilo/grub and so on.
 
Total cost? Like 100 bucks including a 2.5ghz slimline dell with 1gig ram, and the boing ball keyboard/mouse from amigakit. This computer can also run windows or linux... or haiku also.
 
I prefer to do this for my hobby computer, everyone I know who did a mediator with a 1200 regretted the expense and hassles...
 
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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 09:09:57 PM »
I have a second A1200T that has a Mediator1200 + Voodoo 3. Works just fine (actually not true, there are presently some HD issues, but nothing whatsoever to do with the Mediator), but I've not tried the Mediator1200 / BlizzardPPC combination since my BPPC machine already has a BVision anyway.
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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 09:18:42 PM »
mediator is not bad an option. from what ive heard grex is a much better one. on an 4000 grex coresponds with the rest of the system via cyberstorm expansion slot unlike mediator that fits into zorro3. the result is much higher throughtput on grex. mediator is limited to about 7mb/s. not enough for much framebufer motion on screen. nevetheless you can use cheap 3d gfx cards, and other expansions, high display resolutions and keep what you need of zorro cards.

edit: in my opinion the cleanest option is med4kdi inside original desktop a4k where it fits nicely. i do not like towers, especially those hacked for amiga pc-like stuff.
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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2010, 09:49:35 PM »
I'd look for a nice used Zorro busboard.  I had one in a 1200T once, RBM brand, and it worked well with a ZII video board I stuck in (Picasso II, I think.)  I had such good memories of it, I purchased another Zorro busboard from stachu on here and will be modifying a ridiculously tall PC tower to hold an A1200 motherboard, BPPC and Merlin RTG board.

...and I'll probably get bored and sell the whole setup once it's done!
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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 12:01:22 AM »
Cheers Everyone... :)

Thanks for all the advice and comments. Trouble is, now I have to decide what to do. Spend a small fortune on building a Mediator set up just to get some use out of my BPPC card, wait for the X1000 to appear and see if that lives up to my dreams or wait & pray that the Natami ever sees the light of day... :)

I reckon the Natami would be the best way to go as if it lives up to it's hype then this looks like the best option for someone like me who enjoys the Classic Hardware side of the Amiga more than anything... :)

Decisions, decisions... A new PC or Mac is a no,no. but my moneys burning a hole in my pocket and I haven't bought anything new for at least a month so unless there is some news on the X1000 or the Natami in the next couple of weeks, it looks like I'll be going the mediator route... :)
 

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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 12:29:57 AM »
Once you have PCI slots then (just like USB) you'll wonder how you ever lived without them.  :)
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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 12:32:14 AM »
Quote from: Darrin;590865
Once you have PCI slots then (just like USB) you'll wonder how you ever lived without them.  :)


The biggest "How did I ever live without them" upgrades I had were, in rough chronological order:

Hard disk
Accelerator card
RTG card
Network card
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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 12:36:36 AM »
Quote from: Karlos;590867
The biggest "How did I ever live without them" upgrades I had were, in rough chronological order:

Hard disk
Accelerator card
RTG card
Network card


Your forgot the most basic one...

TV to Monitor ... :)
 

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Re: Opinions & Advice On The Mediator PCI Please...
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 12:54:15 AM »
Quote from: Franko;590871
Your forgot the most basic one...

TV to Monitor ... :)


Goes with the RTG card. I got a BVision and a 1600x1200@75Hz capable 19" CRT at the same time. That was an expensive weekend, I can tell you :lol:
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