Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86

[orb85750]

So we could have a machine with 7X as many idle cores as the X1000.  Mind boggling indeed.

I'm not for or against OS4/X1000 etc. at this point (I've never even used OS4), but the implication is that they will not be idle in future OS versions -- obviously.

[ferrellsl]

I'm not for or against OS4/X1000 etc. at this point (I've never even used OS4), but the implication is that they will not be idle in future OS versions -- obviously.

Future being defined as what?  The year 2015?  And for whom?  The five developers that have the only five X1000s on the planet?

[haywirepc]

I think the number of people who complain about the entry price here, coupled with the fact that this is the exact market for os4 (amiga users) speaks volumes. They are shooting themselves in the foot... Even hardcore amiga fans can't afford to use it, so they have no hope anywhere else.
 
I'm very happy with winuae and playing with aros. Someday I'll buy a mac and morphos. I doubt I will ever buy or use a ppc os4, and thats a real shame. I just can't justify the ridiculous price.
 
I can buy a brand new windows/linux pc, build a custom aros pc, buy a mini mac and morphos, and still have money left over... OR I could buy an x1000?
 
It must truly be a labor of love for them, they have no hope whatsoever of ever making any money out of os4.
 
Steven

[orb85750]

AmigaOne X500 needed ~$500 including OS -- wouldn't it be nice?

[Buzzfuzz]

So you like Windows better than Amiga OS 4?

I'd be lying if I said no, Windows 7 64 bit is running like it has never ever crashed.
And the only time it did do a BSOD was with Prime95 running a maximum torture heat test
And that's probably due to the stock memory.
Fact is for my everyday work, I rather have Office running and Live Mail, than starting up one of my A4000's and using that.
And at the moment I haven't got OS4 running on 1 of them, I'm waiting for 4.1, I sold an original OS4 cd years ago, stupid, but I needed the money.

[cha05e90]

Future being defined as what?  The year 2015?  And for whom?  The five developers that have the only five X1000s on the planet?

Why not? As long as I may have one of them... ;-)

[cha05e90]

I'd be lying if I said no, Windows 7 64 bit is running like it has never ever crashed.
...
Fact is for my everyday work, I rather have Office running and Live Mail, than starting up one of my A4000's and using that.

No comment.

[ferrellsl]

Why not? As long as I may have one of them... ;-)

Nothing wrong with being rich, belonging to an exclusive club, and having a loootttt of patience! ;-)

[woof]

Hello

1)Some want to make profit selling cheap hardware for Amiga
2)Some are hobbyists that only want to manufacture/buy the kind of Amiga they loved

But 1) are wrong as there are no profit to make with Amiga
Also making a cheap hardware can cost a lot in drivers developpement (especially if need to write a 3D driver for AmigaOS)
2) are more like an old Harley-Davidson club : they love their old machines and no way they wont going to buy another motor (they will not buy an electric bike )

Also we are no more kids with some coins on theirs pockets (certainly we are all 35-45 years olds) so most of us can buy an expensive Amiga if they really want.

I am very tired with all those people that wants a computer : not expensive + with 86 + with standard motherboard + recent Internet sowftwares + memory protection + GL shader + etc... JUST GO BUY A PC and dont lost your time here
Here it is an Hells Angels club ;-P

Alain Thellier

[WolfToTheMoon]

I'm not for or against OS4/X1000 etc. at this point (I've never even used OS4), but the implication is that they will not be idle in future OS versions -- obviously.

I may have misunderstood them, but they didn't talk about SMP at amiwest. Only about "multicore support" in a sense that you could run OS4 on one and Linux on the other core. No info on just how they intend to achieve that.

[kolla]

Only about "multicore support" in a sense that you could run OS4 on one and Linux on the other core.

And if linux is not your cup of tea?

I guess what they really want to do is to have some "mini OS" similar to WarpUP running on the cores that are not running the OS core itself. With some luck we will have a competing alternative multicore system as well, so we can keep on the tradition of splitting  into more camps

[paolone]

Well if you were an Amiga user back in the day,you may just get why some of us DO NOT WANT x86!

Yes, because 20 years ago they were silly kids that laughed behind Intel x86 processors just because they were "the enemy" to fight. They thought Motorola 68Ks were absolutely superior, while in reality they had just some price/performance ratio advantages in SOME aspects. Processing grunt on the Intel side, however, was superior and you just had to look how a crappy 486sx/25 and a 68030 decoded a jpeg image to see what was the real winner.

Then, those silly kids had grown in oversized losers that, instead of realizing they were simply wrong at the time, continued to fight their religion war. It doesn't matter if their beloved 68k processors went out of production and their line was terminated. It doesn't matter if the next "alternative" choice (PPC) brought them nowhere. It doesn't even matter if NOTHING of the x86 processors of the times still lives in modern ones (just the IA, which has been virtualized on a pseudo-RISC hidden architecture for a decade now), or if they went 64 bits, or if they are cheaper and more powerful: what really matters for those people is just "fightin' da enemy" as usual.

I sincerely hope that all the "count me out if Amiga goes x86" people will really do that, we'll finally get rid of that bunch of fanactics. Thanks to people like them, Amiga turned from "computer for the masses" to "computer for the classes" and now survives in a tiny, forgotten market artificially kept alive by a little community and two heroic companies.

[tone007]

He who lives by the PPC dies by the PPC!

[vidarh]

@vidarh

But the real question is how many people would be using OS 4 if they ported it to X86, not that people are willing to pay a hefty premium to run it on X1000.  If Hyperion sold OS 4 for say €100 or €150 and you could run it on a certain proportion of standard equipment or VirtualBox, I would have plunked down the cash six months ago.  I'm sure there are others who feel the same.

I'm sure some do feel the same, but they'd be targeting the subset of users who a) want an Amiga experience on x86, are b) prepared to pay, c) not happy with AROS or UAE, d) ok with an OS4 version that throws out all the current PPC software (or they'd have to deal with slow PPC on x86 emulation). I don't think the intersection of all of those adds up to many users - perhaps not even enough to cover the cost of a port.

[ferrellsl]

Yes, because 20 years ago they were silly kids that laughed behind Intel x86 processors just because they were "the enemy" to fight. They thought Motorola 68Ks were absolutely superior, while in reality they had just some price/performance ratio advantages in SOME aspects. Processing grunt on the Intel side, however, was superior and you just had to look how a crappy 486sx/25 and a 68030 decoded a jpeg image to see what was the real winner.

Then, those silly kids had grown in oversized losers that, instead of realizing they were simply wrong at the time, continued to fight their religion war. It doesn't matter if their beloved 68k processors went out of production and their line was terminated. It doesn't matter if the next "alternative" choice (PPC) brought them nowhere. It doesn't even matter if NOTHING of the x86 processors of the times still lives in modern ones (just the IA, which has been virtualized on a pseudo-RISC hidden architecture for a decade now), or if they went 64 bits, or if they are cheaper and more powerful: what really matters for those people is just "fightin' da enemy" as usual.

I sincerely hope that all the "count me out if Amiga goes x86" people will really do that, we'll finally get rid of that bunch of fanactics. Thanks to people like them, Amiga turned from "computer for the masses" to "computer for the classes" and now survives in a tiny, forgotten market artificially kept alive by a little community and two heroic companies.

Thanks for saying what many of us have been wanting to say for quite a while.  Watch out though.  Now you can expect to be flamed by the lunatic fringe you've just attacked.....or the moderators who will censor you for "trolling" because you're not "politically correct" in regard to "Amiga-speak".

[kolla]

artificially kept alive by a little community and two heroic companies.

Hm, which companies would that be? Individual Computers and... m3b? Elbox?