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Offline Fats

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2010, 09:29:38 PM »
Quote from: dammy;582391
Probably goes back when the AROS Devs found out the loop hole in the APL/MPL that allow any seperate files from APL code to be exempted from the APL.  Like what is being done with FireFox/Timberwolf code, only the actual MPL files are being released to the public.  This explains why some of the devs from those days went to LGPL/GPL for any new AROS code.  I can't blame in the least either.


That was not even my biggest gripe; it was that we needed to beg everytime we wanted the most recent version of the files that actually fall under MPL And a special arrangement had to be made with Georg Steger so he could filter the MPL code from their source repository and put it in the AROS one. According to the MPL it is the programmers task to release the source code.

To talk about infighting; I never liked the way BBRV seems to work and do business. He/they seemed never to be able to develop and market a product without stirring the pot and creating a lot of infighting.

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2010, 09:30:38 PM »
Quote from: Franko;582394
When it comes to the Amiga I personally couldn't care less about Amiga OS 4, Morph OS or AROS. My souped up A1200 does everything I require and all the software I use is native 68K, with the odd exception of one or two bits of PPC software. :)


One day AROS will run on m68k ...

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2010, 10:42:36 PM »
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One day AROS will run on m68k ...

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I've never really looked properly at AROS, and to be honest I don't see what use it could be to me, I much prefer coding in the Amigas native 68k... :)

Would be interested though if someone would care to mention just why AROS may be of a benefit to me. :)
 

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2010, 11:13:08 PM »
Aros is for people who want the power of the PC, but don't want to run Windows, Linux or OSX to harness it.
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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2010, 11:15:46 PM »
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Huh?


Huh?
Would you like to me to list you several configurations that AROS won't run?
 

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2010, 11:17:06 PM »
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Aros is for people who want the power of the PC, but don't want to run Windows, Linux or OSX to harness it.


So it's no use for me on an 060/PPC A1200 then... :(
 

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2010, 11:28:44 PM »
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One day AROS will run on m68k ...

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/268888/

Got an arch/all-linux/kernel/sigcore.h.m68k.src for me? :)
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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2010, 11:30:57 PM »
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I much prefer coding in the Amigas native 68k

Your hacking on AmigaOS components and other programs is of little use for the rest of us you know :)
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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2010, 11:40:18 PM »
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http://paste.pocoo.org/show/268888/

Got an arch/all-linux/kernel/sigcore.h.m68k.src for me? :)

Your hacking on AmigaOS components and other programs is of little use for the rest of us you know


Still none the wiser !!! that link was total gobblydegook to me... :confused:

I aint hacking nuthing... my code is just for other bamsticks who might find it usefull... :)
 

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2010, 11:47:44 PM »
Quote from: kolla;582475
Your hacking on AmigaOS components and other programs is of little use for the rest of us you know :)

Like the man said - In this corner....

I still use mainly classic, or "real" Amigas - but I also use an emulator on my windows machine every now & then. Just because I don't use Morph OS or OS 4, I don't cut them down in any way shape or form. I don't understand the mentality that must cut down the other guys.
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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2010, 12:15:10 AM »
Quote from: Franko;582476
Still none the wiser !!! that link was total gobblydegook to me... :confused:

It was just a snippet from aros build, the bit where it currently stops up for m68k :)

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I aint hacking nuthing... my code is just for other bamsticks who might find it usefull... :)

I'm sure alot of people could find them usefull, but it's kinda hard to know when one don't even know what they are.. hint... hint... :)
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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2010, 12:29:20 AM »
"Why not cooperate and actually try to put something out there that might be remotely of interest to anybody other than the existing user base ?"

Ummm.  As if we have any control over the cooperation of OS4 and MOS developers and what they produce?  Those are proprietary OS!   (AROS is a place where cooperation is happening.)
 

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2010, 01:36:11 AM »
>Your hacking on AmigaOS components and other programs is of little use for the rest of us you know

Why would it be of little use?
 

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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2010, 02:20:11 AM »
"AROS is free but barely runs on anything"
 
Aros runs on just about any pc, but the trick is selecting a suitable supported soundcard,network card and video card.
 
An sb live is 10$ on ebay, and solves amost any problems with sound you may experience. Same goes for network, pick up an intel network card for 10$ on ebay.
 
A list of supported video cards is also available, pick one, install it in the machine and you can get accellerated video working fine. I got a supported nvida card for 20$ on ebay.
 
Its much like linux at its start, when you had to make sure you had supported hardware. I can rememeber building a few pc's for linux back in the day from a list of supported hardware components.
 
Writing drivers for every sound,network and video card imaginable is just not feasable for aros. Pick up an sblive,intel network card and a supported video card, and Aros runs like a dream. If installing a video,network card and soundcard is not within your technical skills, then maybe you should stick to mac or windows.
 
You can get a 2-3ghz dell (or any pc) on ebay for 50$ add another 50$ for supported sound, video and network card, and for 100$ or so total you have an AROS system that runs rings around any classic machine, and any OS4 machine too, for that matter.
 
As far as the bickering, some of it is for good reasons. Some people insist on ppc, while others say intel is the way to go, and so on. People like different things. If you ask me, we should all be happy we have 3 choices.
 
I have the most experience with aros, but I have to say MorphOS looks awesome, and when I have the extra cash, I will be getting myself a mac mini or imac to run morph os on.
 
As far as OS4, its too expensive for such a crappy slow computer, but thats just my opinion, I wish them, and all their users the best.
 
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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2010, 03:20:53 AM »
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The infighting about "amiga" stuff is pretty legendary, and its something that is pretty much 25% of the traffic on this site.

My question is.. what is the point of it?


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Re: Whats the point of the infighting?
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 02, 2010, 03:30:58 AM »
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...As far as OS4, its too expensive for such a crappy slow computer, but thats just my opinion, I wish them, and all their users the best.
 
Steven

I assume you haven't tried OS4.1 update 2 ? it's actually very responsive on my 800Mhz Sam flex and it's quicker than any accelerator PPC card every made for the classic amiga by far....also it will be even quicker on the new Sam460ex and X1000:cool:
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