Author Topic: Less than 12 Hours for a new Bounty to Toast all other bounty's (Read 29382 times)

Kronos · « **Reply #44 on:** September 18, 2010, 07:22:03 PM »

The toaster is (AFAIK) NTSC-only, noone in civilized countries ever used NTSC (/runs) and everybody else stopped useing it some time ago.

So unless I'm missing something relevant to today's high-def TV-standard I'd say it's rather pointless.

Crom00 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 18, 2010, 07:37:42 PM »

Web is still very much sd resoltion alhtough non interlaced. Once you have an SD version an HD version is not far behind. For instance. The PC SD toaster was able to be updated to SD editing quite well. So you can capture in SD but edit HD sources.

This is a good thing. Also once it's IN FPGA how hard would it be to switch to NTSC or add a Time base corrector on the original toaster pal transcoding and tbc's were add ons with an FPGA implementation those can be integrated.

So this is good news. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

amigadave · « **Reply #46 on:** September 18, 2010, 07:47:52 PM »

Quote from: Kronos;580029

The toaster is (AFAIK) NTSC-only, noone in civilized countries ever used NTSC (/runs) and everybody else stopped useing it some time ago.

So unless I'm missing something relevant to today's high-def TV-standard I'd say it's rather pointless.

The "Open Video Toaster" goal is also to update the old code, so there is nothing that would prevent adding other display frequencies and resolutions to this project. The original Classic Amiga computers in North America (where the Video Toaster was invented) were all NTSC models, in a country where the only video standard of the time was NTSC, so it stands to reason that the original Video Toaster was aimed at the NTSC using consumers. Although, I never did understand why NewTek did not also make a PAL version of the board, given that there were more Amiga users in countries using that standard than there were in the USA & Canada. But none of that makes any difference now. A new VideoToaster/Flyer on an FPGA based board, or PCI card could use what ever display resolutions & frequencies that make sense in today's world.

Recreating 20 year old software & hardware without updating it would have much less market appeal and less usefulness, but would not be completely useless.

Pyromania · « **Reply #47 on:** September 18, 2010, 07:49:54 PM »

Quote from: Kronos;580029

The toaster is (AFAIK) NTSC-only, noone in civilized countries ever used NTSC (/runs) and everybody else stopped useing it some time ago.

So unless I'm missing something relevant to today's high-def TV-standard I'd say it's rather pointless.

An FPGA based Amiga Video Toaster does not have to only be NTSC, it could support many resolutions including PAL & even HD.

ZeBeeDee · « **Reply #48 on:** September 18, 2010, 08:11:15 PM »

Well, that was a pretty amazing announcement

kolla · « **Reply #49 on:** September 18, 2010, 09:36:40 PM »

Dang, I still think a Buster rev 12 to fix all DMA issues once and for all would have been way cooler

Plaz · « **Reply #50 on:** September 18, 2010, 09:49:13 PM »

@DiscreetFX

Guys I loved the toaster, love the flyer, but I'm having a hard time figuring out the point of this bounty. Let me take a stab though and tell me if I'm close...

You want to create a new FPGA based toaster/flyer for Minimig and/or X1000 that's code compatible with the original, but also capable of new features?

Wouldn't that also require original hardware code used in the toaster/flyer?

And tell Mr. Van Dyke I said thanks and hello.

Plaz

Piru · « **Reply #51 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:01:11 PM »

Quote from: Pyromania;580035

An FPGA based Amiga Video Toaster does not have to only be NTSC, it could support many resolutions including PAL & even HD.

Has anyone ever expressed any interest to work on this stuff? I took a look at some part of it once and it was something like ~100k lines of assembler, and this was just one component.

So the emphasis is very much on "could".

Frankly, I don't see the point. It'd be much easier to emulate the thing in SW anyway, if you must. Just take UAE and add the required things. FPGA is possible, too, but what benefits does it offer over pure sw solution?

SysAdmin · « **Reply #52 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:04:06 PM »

@Piru

UAE does not have an Amiga Video slot or Zorro II slot.

Piru · « **Reply #53 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:06:56 PM »

Quote from: Transition;580063

@Piru

UAE does not have an Amiga Video slot or Zorro II slot.

Neither does Minimig. Your point was?

SysAdmin · « **Reply #54 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:08:41 PM »

Quote from: Piru;580066

Neither does Minimig. Your point was?

Since this a 4 input hardware switcher, hardware + software will be required.

Piru · « **Reply #55 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:13:12 PM »

Quote from: Transition;580067

Since this a 4 input hardware switcher, hardware + software will be required.

So have just the 4 input hardware switcher in hardware (say USB), and rest in software. If the rest is going to be FPGA it can as well be regular software as well. Much simpler to work with, more flexible, simpler and cheaper HW.

But I frankly still don't see the point. The software is ancient, and even trying to make it do anything but NTSC is going to be painful.

AmigaNG · « **Reply #56 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:13:30 PM »

I have a question who is going to be in charge of the bounty, I belive it would luck better if it was ran by Amigabounty.net or power2people.org this time.

PS: what ever happened to the UAE for Mac bounty?

Pyromania · « **Reply #57 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:16:27 PM »

Quote from: AmigaNG;580070

I have a question who is going to be in charge of the bounty, I belive it would luck better if it was ran by Amigabounty.net or power2people.org this time.

PS: what ever happened to the UAE for Mac bounty?

The main contributor is in charge. It's not even known if others will put any money in since it starts at such a impressive amount. If you don't like that don't donate, no one is asking you to. Unfortunately no one contributed to the UAE for Mac Bounty and it was closed.

Plaz · « **Reply #58 on:** September 18, 2010, 10:20:22 PM »

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Frankly, I don't see the point. If you want to run the thing, use UAE.

I think Toaster/Flyer software it too closely tied to hardware to word on UAE. Not that it couldn't be solved, but why?

Better still, get a Tricaster and be done with it.

I'm kind of scratching my head on this project. Ok, we recreate hardware in FPGA that allows open toaster to run on minimig/x1000... whatever. Maybe Minimig AGA, gives a head start, but this seems like a multi-headed beast bound to grow beyound scope.

Create FPGA toater... ok, that market of dozens satisfied

For wider appeal, give thee FPGA toater new capabilities... ok, need new software to run it

Ok, develope open toaster software to run the new FPGA. Seems like a ton of work when Newtek already has modern rigs to do the same job.

I'd like to think that if the x1000 were successful, Newtek might like to port their modern code/hardware over.

But then maybe I don't understand a bigger picture here.

Plaz

Piru · « *Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 10:28:08 PM by Piru* »

Quote from: Pyromania;580071

The main contributor is in charge. It's not even known if others will put any money in since it starts at such a impressive amount. If you don't like that don't donate, no one is asking you to.

The amount in question isn't that large really, considering the work required. However, obviously he can do whatever he likes with the money. Just don't expect everyone else to jump in.

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Unfortunately no one contributed to the UAE for Mac Bounty and it was closed.

I have a strong feeling this will happen to this bounty as well.

It doesn't help that there are only handful of people with required background knowledge.