Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back

[KThunder]

btw I reread his message to us, and I don't think it is arrogent, I think it is realistic. He doesn't think the amiga crowd is big enough to concern himself with. He is probably right. Its a bussiness of corse he is doing it for money, what the heck is wrong with that?

[Darrin]

The "I'M JUST DOING THIS TO MAKE MONEY, SCREW ALL YOU AMIGA FILTH" sentiment in Barry's reply does not indicate this.

I'm waiting for the Commodore branded toilet from Barrydore.  That guy's so full of shit, I bet he knows a good toilet when he sees one!

That would be the Commode Door?

... well someone had to say it...  

[Piru]

btw I reread his message to us, and I don't think it is arrogent, I think it is realistic. He doesn't think the amiga crowd is big enough to concern himself with. He is probably right. Its a bussiness of corse he is doing it for money, what the heck is wrong with that?

Well, there is this thing called business ethic, and it appears this guy has never heard of it. Perhaps this is a matter of cultural differences too? I find it totally unacceptable business practice to steal and abuse art work.

[runequester]

Well, its pretty simple:

If a man is willing to lie (AROS support), bully (lawsuit threats) and steal (copyright infringement), odds are he won't have your best interests in mind elsewhere either.

So why should I give him money?
What if the PC turns out to be dodgy components or otherwise defective?
What if I receive a pirated OEM copy of windows with it?


Are there any reason whatsoever to buy from this guy ?

[tone007]

Are there any reason whatsoever to buy from this guy ?

No.

[tone007]

Are there any reason whatsoever to buy from this guy ?

Good question.  No.

[redrumloa]

btw I reread his message to us, and I don't think it is arrogent, I think it is realistic. He doesn't think the amiga crowd is big enough to concern himself with. He is probably right. Its a bussiness of corse he is doing it for money, what the heck is wrong with that?

 
Errr, the amiga/commodore 8bit retro crowd is pretty much is ONLY potential customers. No one else would pay a premium for a Cybernet PC with a retro label slapped on it, except a minority of hobbyists who like the novelty. You don't really think these products will make store shelves in national chains, do you?!?

[billt]

I don't know why they even bothered with that case design. IMHO, it's nothing special to look at.

If it's something he enjoyed doing, then there's no other reason needed than that. I thing it's a bit nicer than the A1200. Could someone do better? Perhaps. But that's all subjective. I prefer brunettes, that doesn't make me right or wrong compared to someone that likes blondes...

[jorkany]

Well, there is this thing called business ethic, and it appears this guy has never heard of it. Perhaps this is a matter of cultural differences too? I find it totally unacceptable business practice to steal and abuse art work.

I think it is a cultural difference.

The line of thinking probably went like this: maybe the image creator will never see the image and nobody will recognize it, therefore no problem. If it is recognized the worst that will happen is the creator will request that CUSA stop using it - once again no problem. CUSA is not yet selling anything, so it would be difficult even in the case of a lawsuit to claim damages. No money lost==okay.

Here in FL at the very least businesses will not only skirt the laws but will full on push them to the breaking point if they feel they can get away with it. The usual motivation is profit, but there are also a good number of egomaniacs running businesses here who just enjoy the feeling of power or getting away with something. Ethics rarely comes into the picture. Self-entitlement is king.

[Belial6]

Well, there is this thing called business ethic, and it appears this guy has never heard of it. Perhaps this is a matter of cultural differences too? I find it totally unacceptable business practice to steal and abuse art work.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you work with Windows on a regular basis?  If so, it would seem that business ethics only matter to you when it doesn't mean money in your pocket.  If that is the case, you seem to be confused about what ethics mean.

Personally I think you are wrong about this CUSA, and do not think you are unethical for using Windows to make money, but you don't get it both ways.  Either using Windows for work is unethical, or this guy is not.

[tone007]

Either using Windows for work is unethical, or this guy is not.

..or you're trying to make mashed potatoes out of dog turds and Pringles.

[Belial6]

..or you're trying to make mashed potatoes out of dog turds and Pringles.

Or chicken banana ultra walk board phone?

Yes, I can string random words together too.  That doesn't change the fact that if you consider a company that commits copyright violations too unethical to do business with, you are a hypocrite for taking a different stance with other companies just because you can make a buck off of it.

[Piru]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you work with Windows on a regular basis?

I have several Windows XP Pro virtual machines and Windows 7 Pro virtual machine for work (mainly for Office Live Meeting). I don't see the relevance though.

If so, it would seem that business ethics only matter to you when it doesn't mean money in your pocket. If that is the case, you seem to be confused about what ethics mean.

Uh what? You're right, I don't get it. You totally lost me.

Personally I think you are wrong about this CUSA, and do not think you are unethical for using Windows to make money, but you don't get it both ways.  Either using Windows for work is unethical, or this guy is not.

Really, what are you on about? What does this Windows usage have to do with anything?

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with Windows or Microsoft.

[ferrellsl]

Geesh, why can't you let this go?  This is the second thread you've started about this nonsense.  Why don't you do us all a favor and contact Marko and let him deal with HIS artwork.  Stop acting like it's YOUR art work.  He probably doesn't even care that Commodre USA has used it.  If he does care he hasn't said anything about it.  And to use the words "steal" and "abuse" is certainly stretching it.  How was it "abused"?  Did he take it out and spank it?   Please stop all the b;tching.

[Belial6]

I have several Windows XP Pro virtual machines and Windows 7 Pro virtual machine for work (mainly for Office Live Meeting). I don't see the relevance though.


Uh what? You're right, I don't get it. You totally lost me.


Really, what are you on about? What does this Windows usage have to do with anything?

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with Windows or Microsoft.

The point is that Microsoft is well known for violating copyrights.  In fact, in DOS 6.0, they didn't even bother to remove the Stacker copyright notice.  They drove Stacker Inc. out of business even though Stacker was a product that was in high demand at the time.  That is just one example of where MS was blatantly violating copyright.  So, by your definition, they are a totally unethical company, and people should not do business with them.

Given that, what does that say about you and your use of Windows to make money?

[Piru]

Stop acting like it's YOUR art work.

I am not acting like it's my work.

He probably doesn't even care that Commodre USA has used it.

He might not. But that's beside the point.

If he does care he hasn't said anything about it.

He doesn't need to say anything. Until he does give explicit permission, the artwork cannot be used outside of "fair use" clause. Anything else is copyright infringement.

And to use the words "steal" and "abuse" is certainly stretching it.

No, it really isn't.

How was it "abused"?

1. It is used commercially for marketing purposes, without any permission from the author.
2. It's used as a design for a computer model, without any permission from the author.
3. The artwork has been modified, without any permission form the author.
4. At one point the author's name was removed from the artwork.

Please stop all the b;tching.

I will continue to discuss this issue until either a) the unauthorized use ceases or b) the author gives his permission for the usage.