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Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #254 from previous page: March 21, 2011, 08:17:45 PM »
EDIT: oops! didnt notice olaf had replied above.. :)



When i set out to get Olaf to try and release this, i could not of imagined it would take this long.Most of the time was from him wanting to optomise and do some bug fixing ,as well as making the docs a bit better. sadly the last bit has been distribution. i talked to him about a week ago and he has someone that is going to distribute it. I dont know why this is so hard or time consuming,but he has not told me why.he says its in the works tho. This is all the info have.

Mech
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Offline Christian Johansson

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #255 on: March 21, 2011, 09:39:47 PM »
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This was discussed months ago and it was ready months ago. What in the world could take so long? You are losing a lot of momentum.


Well, i can understand him, if people pay for it they'll automatically want support/help for it.
 

Offline Damion

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« Reply #256 on: March 21, 2011, 09:52:33 PM »
I'm happy it's going to be available, if it takes a little while longer that's OK with me. :)
 

Offline olsen

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #257 on: March 22, 2011, 09:22:19 AM »
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This was discussed months ago and it was ready months ago. What in the world could take so long?


There's ready and there's 80% ready. Roadshow was 80% ready when the DHCP client bug fix was implemented and tested. The remaining tasks were 1) to find a publisher or publish Roadshow myself, 2) write installation instructions, a tutorial and a reference manual, 3) compile the distribution files and write an installation script, and 4) set up a web site and payment system and make the product available.

All but the last task have been taken care of. I'd like to think that I used to be a wee bit faster at writing manuals and installation scripts than I am today, but that's probably just delusion ;) But this stuff takes its time if you want to produce something that satisfies you.

For all the software I wrote by myself, I always attempted to make something that I would find useful. Hence the 112 page tutorial/reference manual, which has absolutely everything in it, and the installer script which not only installs the software, but can uninstall it again, too, and make backup copies of your configuration files.

Some may view this as gold plating, and there certainly is the danger here to go overboard and go from 80% ready to 90% ready, to 95%, to 97.5%, to 98.5%, to 99.7% and so forth in the Zeno school of product development. I hope that the end result will be more useful, and not just shinier as a consequence.

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You are losing a lot of momentum.


Well, you'd have to thank mech for getting the ball rolling again, and far as I can tell the ball is still tumbling along. I'm going to see this through, even if it takes a bit longer. Part of the journey is getting there, but you might as well enjoy the journey itself, too :)
 

Offline Jope

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #258 on: May 08, 2011, 08:54:10 AM »
Hi there, any updates on this?

I'm eager to ditch the inferior TCP/IP stacks installed on my Amigas. :-)
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #259 on: May 08, 2011, 09:26:49 AM »
We're just discussing this on IRC (I wasn't aware of it before but am now).. and I'm looking forward to see this too
 

Offline Jope

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« Reply #260 on: July 16, 2011, 08:41:13 PM »
Any news?

I'm waiting, money in hand.
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #261 on: July 16, 2011, 11:32:49 PM »
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Any news?

I'm waiting, money in hand.

Sadly i talked with Olaf and last time he was busy with other projects and i "think" the problem was distributing roadshow with the people who he was working with. This was about a month ago i talked with him.

sadly i expected we would see this long before now but things have moved at a snails pace.

I haven't had much luck lighting a fire under his butt :)

Mech
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #262 on: July 16, 2011, 11:41:15 PM »
I had forgotten about this.  I hope it's still in the works.

(says another paying customer...)
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #263 on: July 17, 2011, 01:07:13 AM »
another argument against closed source on amiga. as soon as a developer of an essential element gets demotivated or limited by agreements the work must begin from the start. it is deadly in this tiny community. the only luck is we have got alternatives for about to everything.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #264 on: July 17, 2011, 03:22:47 AM »
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another argument against closed source on amiga. as soon as a developer of an essential element gets demotivated or limited by agreements the work must begin from the start. it is deadly in this tiny community. the only luck is we have got alternatives for about to everything.

there has been lots of stuff about not wanting to release as open due to quality control, documentation etc. but actually, if it had just been dumped on sourceforge, its quite probable by now the community, would have cleaned it up, made some documentation and a website etc.

can only hope something is done with this before we are in retirement homes ;-)
 

Offline Minuous

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« Reply #265 on: July 17, 2011, 03:24:24 AM »
Hopefully it's still on track and will be released soon, fingers crossed...
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #266 on: July 17, 2011, 04:04:17 AM »
I'm pretty sure that eventually anything useful in Aros will become the defacto standard for most AOS-alike systems including AOS itself.

Network stack, RTG, USB, PCI access, everything, for exactly this reason.  Companies die and software gets abandoned, but open source is forever.
 

Offline olsen

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« Reply #267 on: July 17, 2011, 08:07:12 AM »
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Any news?

I'm waiting, money in hand.


Sorry this has been taking so long. I was still on a roll in March, got the distribution archive ready, got the demo version ready, got the SDK ready, but then something happened :(

I burnt out and I am still recovering.
 

Offline olsen

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« Reply #268 on: July 17, 2011, 08:10:15 AM »
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Sadly i talked with Olaf and last time he was busy with other projects and i "think" the problem was distributing roadshow with the people who he was working with. This was about a month ago i talked with him.


Let's say there were some problems beyond my control, since resolved, and the only thing that keeps the product from getting released is that the web page, etc. text needs to be written. I have been trying to do that for quite a while now, but I am having big trouble summoning the energy.

All this will pass, as it always will, but until it does, I hope the project will not be forgotten. It's 99.76% ready to go.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #269 on: July 17, 2011, 08:15:33 AM »
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there has been lots of stuff about not wanting to release as open due to quality control, documentation etc.


Done and done (most of it was already done in late 2010). The problem here is that I am currently very willing but very unable to get that last simple bit finished, namely writing the text that should go on the web site on which the product will be sold.

It happens, it happened before, it will happen again. It just sucks that after all the work that went into making Roadshow happen, it's the smallest thing that manages to stop it.

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but actually, if it had just been dumped on sourceforge, its quite probable by now the community, would have cleaned it up, made some documentation and a website etc.


Well, my outlook on this is pessimistic. If it really were that easy, we'd have a lot more projects on sourceforge.net (or Google code, whatever) than is currently the case. Fact is, hardly anybody who went through the hassle of learning Amiga software development is still doing it, and the state of the platform being as it is, few people want to learn it.