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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #224 from previous page: November 25, 2010, 01:02:49 PM »
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Will this be released in time for xmas?  :)


Actually, I haven't thought that far ahead. It's just that the work I put into the documentation, the installer script, etc. finally came together this weekend.

As far as I'm concerned the result is ready to ship right now. I likely won't be selling Roadshow 68k by myself, and there's a standing offer from one publisher to take care of it for me, on short notice. There's another offer from a different publisher to integrate Roadshow 68k with a GUI and sell this integrated product, but I haven't heard back from him yet.

Likely I'll wait until next week before I make a decision on how things will move ahead. It's possible that Roadshow 68k will indeed be available for sale before Christmas this year :)
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #225 on: November 25, 2010, 01:11:52 PM »
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There's another offer from a different publisher to integrate Roadshow 68k with a GUI and sell this integrated product, but I haven't heard back from him yet.
Careful that no-one sells that GUI while including the Roadshow 68k in the transaction... No kidding, similar thing happened once already and the result was that the Workbench 3.9 release includes an unauthorized AmiTCP/IP.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #226 on: November 25, 2010, 02:07:55 PM »
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Actually, I haven't thought that far ahead. It's just that the work I put into the documentation, the installer script, etc. finally came together this weekend.

As far as I'm concerned the result is ready to ship right now. I likely won't be selling Roadshow 68k by myself, and there's a standing offer from one publisher to take care of it for me, on short notice. There's another offer from a different publisher to integrate Roadshow 68k with a GUI and sell this integrated product, but I haven't heard back from him yet.

Likely I'll wait until next week before I make a decision on how things will move ahead. It's possible that Roadshow 68k will indeed be available for sale before Christmas this year :)


Nice!
And regarding the GUI side, maybe someone will come up with a third party option for free on Aminet!  :D  (since you documented how to control the stack well, right? It's all done by modifying some ASCII text files...)

One side note about future releases: do you plan to make them free for registered users?
Just little updates?
I know it sounds a bit ahead, but just to know your ideas...

BY!  :)
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #227 on: November 25, 2010, 05:29:33 PM »
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Nice!
And regarding the GUI side, maybe someone will come up with a third party option for free on Aminet!  :D  (since you documented how to control the stack well, right? It's all done by modifying some ASCII text files...)


I hope I've got everything covered. The printable documentation runs to about 112 A4-sized pages, and it describes the file formats and commands in great detail. Plus, the SDK has the source code of the individual configuration commands, for reference and tinkering.

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One side note about future releases: do you plan to make them free for registered users?
Just little updates?
I know it sounds a bit ahead, but just to know your ideas...

BY!  :)


I strongly believe in free updates. But, just like with CygnusEd, I reserve the right to ship them as incremental patches. Which also makes for shorter distribution archives :)
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #228 on: November 25, 2010, 06:24:15 PM »
To olsen:

Sounds good :) But I have some questions:

1) What are the advantages of Roadshow compared to MiamiDX (lack of Gui is not a concern)?
2) What kind of price do you have in mind (downloadable distribution)?
3) Will it be possible to pay by bank transfer?

If those questions can be answered in a positive way, then you've got a customer right here :)
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #229 on: November 25, 2010, 07:40:56 PM »
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As far as I'm concerned the result is ready to ship right now. I likely won't be selling Roadshow 68k by myself, and there's a standing offer from one publisher to take care of it for me, on short notice. There's another offer from a different publisher to integrate Roadshow 68k with a GUI and sell this integrated product, but I haven't heard back from him yet.


If GUI is a problem I could prepare a MUI/Reaction/Gadtool GUI in case you need it.
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #230 on: November 26, 2010, 08:59:33 AM »
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To olsen:

Sounds good :) But I have some questions:

1) What are the advantages of Roadshow compared to MiamiDX (lack of Gui is not a concern)?


You can rely upon me to be a poor salesman. Here are the disadvantages:

- TCP/IP stack code is older than what Miami uses (Miami = NetBSD; Roadshow = 4.4BSD-Lite2)
- No built-in GUI
- Configuration works through text files
- No IPv6 support
- No built-in SSL support
- No ARexx interface

Here are some of the advantages of Roadshow:

- Significantly higher performance than Miami; according to my tests Roadshow is the fastest Amiga TCP/IP stack
- Uses far less memory once it's running than Miami, which means that you can run Roadshow on an extreme low-end configuration (Amiga 600HD with 2 MBytes of memory) and still have enough free memory available to run client software
- Controlled entirely through shell commands, which makes the whole thing scriptable
- Implemented a a single shared library, not as a big monolithic application
- Requires no assignments or shell paths to be set up, installs to your boot partition and acts as if it were part of the operating system
- Has a built-in DNS cache
- DNS client supports international domain names (ISO Latin 1 only, though), and transparently translates between the Punycode encoding and the human-readable form
- Built-in support for ZeroConf interface address assignment
- Comes with SANA-II drivers for PPP (modem/ISDN dialup) and PPPoE (ADSL)
- Supports the standard AmiTCP V4 API, plus a boatload of extensions which, among other things, allow for monitoring and manipulating traffic
- Source code for all configuration commands included in the SDK
- Developed and maintained by somebody who still answers questions and is likely to provide for support and bug fixes in the future ;)

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2) What kind of price do you have in mind (downloadable distribution)?


It's possible that this will be a downloadable archive which will have to be unpacked and copied to an installation medium. I don't know yet how it will come out, though, as I haven't signed with a publisher yet, and it's unlikely that I will publish the thing myself.

As for the price, I've asked around and the general consensus seems to be that you can't really charge more than 25€ per copy for this kind of software. Maybe add another 5€ for media costs and shipping. Maybe add some more if the package were to ship with a GUI.

So, I expect the end product price to be somewhere around 30€.

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3) Will it be possible to pay by bank transfer?


If I sign with a publisher, this would be one option. I expect PayPal to be another option.

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If those questions can be answered in a positive way, then you've got a customer right here :)


Well, some of the questions are still unanswered from my own perspective. I know where this project is going, but the definitive answers will still have to wait a bit...
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #231 on: November 26, 2010, 04:57:11 PM »
To olsen:

Thank you for the great reply :) I suppose I'll just have to wait until everything is finalized, but that's not a big deal.

Anyway, this software sounds like it would be quite good, and I'm certainly looking forward to see it running. Keep up the good work.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #232 on: November 26, 2010, 05:22:42 PM »
I am willing to pay for the current product and new technology.

AROS uses wikkibooks to keep documentation : http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros

Google groups to work together :
https://groups.google.com/grphp?hl=en&tab=sg&pli=1

I came across an interesting site about someone implemented 802.11 (wireless b) using microcontrollers :

http://www.globalspec.com/reference/33070/203279/chapter-3-the-airdrop-a

Its a step by step hands on teaching type book and its quite interesting - it may help us :

http://www.ebooksdownloadfree.com/Cisco-Networking/Implementing-802-11-with-Microcontrollers-Wireless-Networki-BI7664.html

Also we should also look into SANA III, maybe google groups/docs can be used to create work for those interested in working together ?
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #233 on: January 14, 2011, 05:58:00 PM »
Anything new about this?
 

Offline utri007

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #234 on: January 14, 2011, 06:54:30 PM »
Could you pay some attention to WHDload compaptibility?
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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #235 on: January 14, 2011, 06:56:14 PM »
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Anything new about this?


Still waiting for one prospective publisher to respond. Should this fall through, I'll go with another one. The TCP/IP stack is still good to go, with a manual, installer script, SDK, everything.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #236 on: January 14, 2011, 06:58:54 PM »
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Could you pay some attention to WHDload compaptibility?


Last time I checked, there was no sound approach to getting this worked out: you have to turn off the interrupt processing triggered by incoming packets, and the proper way to do that is to shut down the TCP/IP stack.
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #237 on: January 14, 2011, 07:17:13 PM »
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Still waiting for one prospective publisher to respond. Should this fall through, I'll go with another one. The TCP/IP stack is still good to go, with a manual, installer script, SDK, everything.


hah! get the lead out olaf! I want to get my hands on this before i'm too old and broken down to use a computer!..

All joking aside, i hope you find a way to release it soon.

mech
 

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Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #238 on: January 21, 2011, 05:02:23 AM »
Forgive me, what exactly is "Roadshow 68k" ?
 

Offline Gulliver

Re: Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!
« Reply #239 on: January 21, 2011, 05:09:38 AM »
@darkage

It is another commercial Amiga tcp-ip stack, still unpublished, that has no gui, and claims to have a lower memory footprint for 68k Amigas, between other things.