Amiga vs PC

[Arkhan]

Thankyou for proving my point.
There is a certain etiquette in interacting in the forums which it seems you have yet to learn.

What etiquette is that?  Don't tell it like it is?  I treat forums like I treat outside.  I don't talk like I'm sitting on a throne in a castle. ********  Whoopeedoo.  If you can't handle being talked to harshly, how do you survive the real world?  Earmuffs?  

If you read back through my arguements in this thread you'll find that... err, I haven't made any. Consequently, your ramblings against me are totally inane.

They weren't all directed at you.

Ahh, consumerism 101.
Enjoy your life contributing to the landfills of this world.

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[Boot_WB]

Have you investigated GPGPU for this class of problem? Finite Element Analysis is  one of the areas there are several CUDA precedents for.

Given that the largest models I've been working with (around 600,000 elements) have tended to be overnight solves (just linear static analysis with a sparse solver) it would be the natural way to go, but as yet I haven't: lack of suitable hardware myself, and lack of forward thinking employers willing to spend a few £ to save a lot of £ (in man-hours) than anything else.

I just need a cash injection of a few thousand though if you'd like me to look into it for you... just a drop in the ocean on those Amiga.org moderator's wages, right? ;-)

It always surprised me that the likes of Ansys did not supply dedicated hardware on a PCI(/e) card for higher-end customers (dedicated fastest ram available, dedicated co-processor, and optimised code for said processor.

[Boot_WB]

What etiquette is that?  Don't tell it like it is?  I treat forums like I treat outside.  I don't talk like I'm sitting on a throne in a castle.  You sound like a twat when you type, and I sound like a sarcastic prick.  Whoopeedoo.  If you can't handle being talked to harshly, how do you survive the real world?  Earmuffs?  

No, I usually find walking away from arseholes helps quite a lot though.
If a person cannot engage with arguements, resorting to child-like foot-stamping, name-calling, and posturing, that's usually a good sign that they have nothing of value to contribute.

They weren't all directed at you.

Then perhaps you should learn to address your comments towards the person at whom you are directing them.

Way to be a bigot.

Bigot? Explain how..

You need deck as eff hardware for FF14.  Otherwise you're going to be pulling shit FPS and crying.

No, you would be crying, I'd be looking for something more interesting to do than online wanking with a group of anonymous strangers who are the nearest thing to a group of friends I can insinuate myself into.

Damn, say what you want about me from here on friend, I'm not going to get drawn further into a flamefest with someone who is clearly not interested in intelligent discussion of any kind.

/thread interest

[jj]

No, you would be crying, I'd be looking for something more interesting to do than online wanking with a group of anonymous strangers who are the nearest thing to a group of friends I can insinuate myself into.

 
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::laughing: :laughing:   :roflmao:  :roflmao:

[fishy_fiz]

No, you would be crying, I'd be looking for something more interesting to do than online wanking with a group of anonymous strangers who are the nearest thing to a group of friends I can insinuate myself into.

Damn, say what you want about me from here on friend, I'm not going to get drawn further into a flamefest with someone who is clearly not interested in intelligent discussion of any kind.

/thread interest

Haha, that's funny. Not in a "haha" funny way though.... one sentence of absolute trite (who are you to dictate what computer entertainment people enjoy?) followed by a claim of a lack of interest in non intelligent conversation.

[Boot_WB]

Haha, that's funny. Not in a "haha" funny way though.... one sentence of absolute trite (who are you to dictate what computer entertainment people enjoy?) followed by a claim of a lack of interest in non intelligent conversation.

1) I have not dictated what computer entertainment people can enjoy, merely refuted the implication that I would be upset over such things (and reversed the insinuation).

2) I have not claimed a lack of interest in unintelligent conversation - hell, the majority of my leisure time is spent talking shite with my friends - merely a lack of interest in continuing a flamefest with one individual when the thread itself had (some pages ago) some content of interest.

3) Trite is an adjective, not a noun. I may have been talking tripe (putting it politely), or my comments may be seen as being trite (I have no problem or particular disagreement with either of these statements) but I can state with certainty that I have never in my life produced a sentence of absolute trite.

4) Add pedantic to the list...

[psxphill]

But why oh why, if these Pee'Cees and Craple Macs are so good do you run an Amiga emulator on them... :huh:

Nostalgia. It brings back memories of simpler times.
 
The Amiga was very efficient at what it did, but this goes in waves.
Everything started custom. Then there became general purpose CPU's that were fast enough, mass market means cheaper. While the CPU manufacturers get on with the next generation, you can make some custom hardware that outperforms it. This has happened in the PC market as well, early 3d cards that once were highly prized can now be beaten by software rendering.
 
We're so many CPU generations down the line that you can emulate the Amiga on some very cheap hardware. At that point you can't really claim any superiority.
 
The OS hasn't aged particularly well either, while there were good concepts there are too many drawbacks to outweigh the positives.
 
It was good for it's time. I still have my a500, though it's had two replacement motherboards since then, but I'm back on a rev 5 board now so it is original.

[pyrre]

@ amigaksi

Unfortunately, not all old software is crappy like your program may have been.  And VirtualBox doesn't run unless you have some Professional Version of Windows 7 64-bit so haven't seen what restrictions that has when it does run.

I use Win7 x64. and i run VMWare. and i run Win98se. and play diablo, quite well i must say. I also run dosbox. in win7 X64. and play old 16bit dos games, and it works quite well.
I have not tried UAE yet. but i bet ya a dollar it works just fine. Then i can play most amiga games on my win7 x64 install.

Nor can you request people who buy machines with 64-bit OSes to  partition their hard drives afterwards.

Partition hard drives afterwards?
Exactly what do you mean by that?
I run the same disks with the same partitions as i did with xp. (some disks even W2K) I have just reformatted them with an updated version of ntfs, or converted them on the fly.

Many don't even give the original OS Cd with the machines even if they wanted to.

Is it the OSs fault that some retailers don't include the OS disks?

Dropping compatibility with old software (16bit and/or 32-bit) was a mistake

What compatibillity has been dropped?
I still use old software. Name some REALLY usefull old software that don't work under win7 x64.
(I still use windows commander 4.0 (which i did under 98se)).
For those rare software (read games) not working on modern computers, i like you have a shitload of old computers. ranging from p133 and up.
Plus my amigas.

That's the other crap pulled of my Microsoft-- certification of software.  I originally thought that was to prevent viruses/spyware but nope.  They give warning and sometimes fail to install perfectly fine usable software.

The certification referred to in previous post is certification of drivers. If someone want to have certified drivers, they must make both 32 and 64bit drivers for their hardware. Uncertified drivers still works, though.

[Franko]

Nostalgia. It brings back memories of simpler times.
 
The Amiga was very efficient at what it did, but this goes in waves.
Everything started custom. Then there became general purpose CPU's that were fast enough, mass market means cheaper. While the CPU manufacturers get on with the next generation, you can make some custom hardware that outperforms it. This has happened in the PC market as well, early 3d cards that once were highly prized can now be beaten by software rendering.
 
We're so many CPU generations down the line that you can emulate the Amiga on some very cheap hardware. At that point you can't really claim any superiority.
 
The OS hasn't aged particularly well either, while there were good concepts there are too many drawbacks to outweigh the positives.
 
It was good for it's time. I still have my a500, though it's had two replacement motherboards since then, but I'm back on a rev 5 board now so it is original.

While I disagree about your comments on the Amigas OS and the point that you can emulate the Amiga on modern hardware, I can only say that for me, my various Amiga set ups can perform all the computing needs that I have (as I have stated elsewhere). I don't think anyone could ever convince me to buy a new PC or Mac.

The only non Amiga computer that I own was purchased about two months ago, an old iMacG4, which I am using to see what the internet is all about, but very soon thank to various good folk on Amiga.org, I shall be able to use my Amiga to perform the tasks I require on the internet and will be able to say goodbye this iMac and use the HD & DVD burner from it on one of my old miggies.

Each to their own I suppose, but the main thing to me is no matter type of computer you use the main purpose of it should be fun & enjoyment.

Cheers :drink:

Franko

[halvliter'n]

GO GO GO GO GO, AMIGA, AMIGA. GO GO GO GO GO, AMIGA, AMIGA. Yeay AMIGA RULES!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejYsavwoRhQ

[B00tDisk]

You know what's sad?  When the Amiga was top of the heap, and I was running rings around PCs with my souped up A500, all I heard from PC luddites stuck with DOS, crappy semi-graphical file managers or Windows 2.x was "You don't need this, you don't need that, why multi-task you can only do one thing at a time anyway lol".  I was as smug as a bug because I had an (at the time) world beater of a computer that was high tech.  Left the competition in the dirt.  It was really the next big thing.  C= dropped the ball, but that's a whole different issue, this was 1989 and I was on top of the heap technically speaking.

Now?

Now I see the same counterarguments being offered by the remaining Amiga users.  "You don't need this, that or the other".  Sheesh.  Sad, really.

[Karlos]

Given that the largest models I've been working with (around 600,000 elements) have tended to be overnight solves (just linear static analysis with a sparse solver) it would be the natural way to go, but as yet I haven't: lack of suitable hardware myself, and lack of forward thinking employers willing to spend a few £ to save a lot of £ (in man-hours) than anything else.

For CUDA, you can test the theory even on an old GTX 8800, provided you don't mind single precision arithmetic only. If you need double precision, the GTX260, though it isn't fully IEEE754 compliant and the double precision performance is only about 1/8th the single.

Not sure what ATI's stream stuff is like, but if you used OpenCL, you are pretty much free from having to worry too much which way to go.

I just need a cash injection of a few thousand though if you'd like me to look into it for you... just a drop in the ocean on those Amiga.org moderator's wages, right? ;-)

You got it. A mod's salary is priceless...

It always surprised me that the likes of Ansys did not supply dedicated hardware on a PCI(/e) card for higher-end customers (dedicated fastest ram available, dedicated co-processor, and optimised code for said processor.

Dedicated hardware can get old fast, I guess. An example would be GRAPE, an n-body solver for gravity simulation. GPU implementations on current hardware are capable of outperforming it comfortably.

[Thorham]

Now?

Now I see the same counterarguments being offered by the remaining Amiga users.  "You don't need this, that or the other".  Sheesh.  Sad, really.

Ha ha ha, you got that that right :lol: It is still very sad that Commodore screwed up what could've still been the best machine.

Anyway, I'll keep using this wonderful machine until I can't get any second hand ones anymore (that will be a very sad day indeed), and use my peecee for surfing (Amiga browsers suck donkey balls) and a few other things, because Amigas (real Amigas, not those PPC+peecee parts things) have a coolness factor that the peecee will never beat.

Amiga forever

[warpdesign]

Now I see the same counterarguments being offered by the remaining Amiga users. "You don't need this, that or the other". Sheesh. Sad, really.

This is so true.

I guess it's easier to say "we don't need it" than "you're right, it would be great, but we don't have it now, that's too bad". Seems like some people still live in 1989, thinking the Amiga is still cutting edge in a lot of areas... Problem is it's 2010, and it's lagging in pretty much every areas instead.

[Karlos]

Ha ha ha, you got that that right :lol: It is still very sad that Commodore screwed up what could've still been the best machine.

In some ways, I wonder what might have happened if they'd succeeded. We're quick to assume it would have been a good thing but perhaps we might not have liked the direction it may have taken.

[Karlos]

This is so true.

I guess it's easier to say "we don't need it" than "you're right, it would be great, but we don't have it now, that's too bad". Seems like some people still live in 1989, thinking the Amiga is still cutting edge in a lot of areas... Problem is it's 2010, and it's lagging in pretty much every areas instead.

In the process of becoming more and more obsolescent, I actually find it quite interesting to see just what can still be done with it though.

I still find it much more fun writing code for AmigaOS and m68K than I do for modern kit. The only thing that's really piqued my interest on the latter is GPU stuff.