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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #104 from previous page: June 22, 2010, 08:54:40 PM »
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Seriously MOS is almost the same as Workbench, it could very well become the next gen AmigaOS system.

Actually, I've seen MorphOS set up to run Workbench. It's kind of pointless with Ambient and Scalos avalable, but it can be done.

The reason MorphOS users don't refer to it as an AmigaOS (even though the origanl version runs on PPC equipped Amigas) is that its a third party written OS designed to replace AmigaOS and super-cede it.

Hey! Wait a minute. Isn't that what AmigaOS4 is? Well they've got the license to call it Amiga, so we'll have to give them that.

I think I actually understand this now!

By presenting a biased view of their place in the community, they seek to promote their own particular preferences/projects.

That's interesting. I don't see much friction between MorphOS and AROS (in fact, some parts are related). And the only problem I have with AmigaOS users is when they start to pout when you point out that AmigaOS is slower then MorphOS.

Perhaps the reason MorphOS users are not as confrontational is that we can back up our claims. You can try the OS for free. Don't like it? Don't pay for a license.

We welcome all new Amiga related developments. As the community grows as a whole, we will all prosper. Frankly, I'd prefer if no one system became dominant.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #105 on: June 22, 2010, 09:25:16 PM »
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Remember, its not a hobby machine. They call it a developer machine. I guess they hope someone forks out the money and developes some terrific software to drive sales.

They are calling it a developer system now? Have a link? I thought Dammy got roasted for suggesting it was a a developer system a month ago?
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #106 on: June 22, 2010, 09:26:14 PM »
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Lets not forget though that even the SAM 440 was called too expensive by most.  Certain hobbies have a certain unavoidable cost of entry.  When I paid $500 for a used PegII (G3 mind you) intrinsically it was not worth $500.


New PegasosII/G3 boards costed 299Euros in 2003 (around 320 dollars with old exchange rate) and G4 model costed 499Euros (around 540 dollars with old exchange rate). That was 7 years ago, when euro-dollar change was good for USA people but what I mean is that in 2003 a PegasosII-G4/1Ghz costed new 540$. That was *seven* years ago, that's why Sam440 looks expensive to some of us.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #107 on: June 22, 2010, 09:58:58 PM »
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New PegasosII/G3 boards costed 299Euros in 2003 (around 320 dollars with old exchange rate) and G4 model costed 499Euros (around 540 dollars with old exchange rate). That was 7 years ago, when euro-dollar change was good for USA people but what I mean is that in 2003 a PegasosII-G4/1Ghz costed new 540$. That was *seven* years ago, that's why Sam440 looks expensive to some of us.
Certainly italy is the worst place on earth to produce anything, production costs are outrageous.
Taxes here are out of control specially when importing parts, we have 20% vat on anything.
Your concerns are understandable, but I assure you, the Acube guys are not making crazy profits, the above description and some failing loop hole must be generating those high production costs.

By the way, how many PegII boards were produced? And were they made here in europe or out sourced in Asia? (manufacturing I mean).
 

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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #108 on: June 22, 2010, 10:00:25 PM »
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You do it all the time yourself mr. DAX, you even did it a few times in this latest post of yours.

In my view, the two of you are the same, equally tedious and mentally challanged.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #109 on: June 22, 2010, 10:15:44 PM »
@Kolla
Thanks, people doing this :bitch: need some fresh air every once in a while.

Anyway read my post here #64 (like the C= could it be a sign?:lol:) and you will see I'm not such a bad guy ;)
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #110 on: June 22, 2010, 10:35:25 PM »
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By the way, how many PegII boards were produced? And were they made here in europe or out sourced in Asia? (manufacturing I mean).

I think all batches were produced at DCE factory in Germany. There was a video that showed how the boards were built. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P-ZT06NehI

According to old news 400 April2 Peg1 were produced and pre-april and april1 may have been updated. In any case I don't expect more than 500 Peg1 machines. Peg2 was produced in higher numbers, in addition to normal sales Freescale was interested in having them available as developer system and bought some hundreds for developers.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #111 on: June 22, 2010, 10:53:36 PM »
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I think all batches were produced at DCE factory in Germany. There was a video that showed how the boards were built. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P-ZT06NehI

According to old news 400 April2 Peg1 were produced and pre-april and april1 may have been updated. In any case I don't expect more than 500 Peg1 machines. Peg2 was produced in higher numbers, in addition to normal sales Freescale was interested in having them available as developer system and bought some hundreds for developers.

Interesting. Certainly Germany is a better place to produce, my guess is that the G4 was also a powerful but not to expensive component as it was mass produced for Apple and other vendors.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #112 on: June 22, 2010, 10:56:01 PM »
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Don't like it? Don't pay for a license.
Don't like the license? Whine and bitch about it. :laughing:
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #113 on: June 22, 2010, 11:01:34 PM »
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I'm not such a bad guy
You're not invisible on amigaworld.net, you know - once I saw you post here on amiga.org I literally slapped my forhead and cursed, knowing perfectly well what was in for us.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #114 on: June 22, 2010, 11:04:33 PM »
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You're not invisible on amigaworld.net, you know - once I saw you post here on amiga.org I literally slapped my forhead and cursed, knowing perfectly well what was in for us.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #115 on: June 23, 2010, 12:41:37 AM »
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Don't like the license? Whine and bitch about it. :laughing:

Now, that is funny! With the current exchange rate at an all time low, that 111 Euros is looking so much more affordable.

Hey, I guess we could all  give a little more to Gates and company. I'm so glad I helped to current head of Microsoft buy Chaptain Kirk's command chair.
Can you picture him sitting in it playing with Windows 8?
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #116 on: June 23, 2010, 01:20:18 AM »
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You're not invisible on amigaworld.net, you know - once I saw you post here on amiga.org I literally slapped my forhead and cursed, knowing perfectly well what was in for us.


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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #117 on: June 23, 2010, 01:28:57 AM »
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I don't see AOS4 users attacking other paradigms on purpose, just when provoked.
You do it all the time yourself mr. DAX, you even did it a few times in this latest post of yours.
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You do it all the time yourself mr. DAX, you even did it a few times in this latest post of yours.


wow..even so..to say the poor guy was harrassed into any such comments is a massive understatement:rolleyes:
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #118 on: June 23, 2010, 01:48:00 AM »
@ Those who are talking about "camps."

While I can't say this isn't about camps -- there will always be someone who thinks it is -- I can guarantee that for many of us this is about _suicide._

Let's say you have a friend who managed to jump off a cliff. Now, let's say you have another friend, just like the first, who is getting ready to jump off another cliff, and you say "Stop, Amigo! Please don't jump off that cliff!" Is this motivated out of hatred? Jealousy? Anger? C'mon, get serious! It's because you don't want to see another friend get hurt.

Now, let's say you try to talk some reason into that friend, but he won't listen; he's still bound and determined to jump. Do you, A) stand their silently and let him? B) Get angry and ask him why he's doing this? C) Plead with him not to do this? Or, D) Tell him you're superior to him, so go ahead and jump!

Many Amiga fans are wondering why Hyperion and Clan are preparing to jump off a cliff. People saying things like "too expensive and/or too weak" fall into the "why are you doing this?" category, not the "silently let him" or "go ahead and jump" category. For many, this has moved from wonderment to criticism and then anger because Hyperion doesn't appear to be listening. Without a rational explanation of why this particular hardware and price ratio was chosen, how else can they react?

People like myself, who have argued that "it should be x86, but if it must be PPC, then xBox, Wii or PS3" aren't doing so out of jealousy. We're motivated out of astonishment. If you want to succeed, you need a user base, and in order to have a user base, your solution must be affordable. And, instead, we see our friend getting ready to jump off a cliff yet again.

It sad, really, but I guarantee you, it ain't about camps or jealousy or anything other than fear, disbelief and amazement.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #119 on: June 23, 2010, 02:49:05 AM »
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@ Those who are talking about "camps."

While I can't say this isn't about camps -- there will always be someone who thinks it is -- I can guarantee that for many of us this is about _suicide._

Let's say you have a friend who managed to jump off a cliff. Now, let's say you have another friend, just like the first, who is getting ready to jump off another cliff, and you say "Stop, Amigo! Please don't jump off that cliff!" Is this motivated out of hatred? Jealousy? Anger? C'mon, get serious! It's because you don't want to see another friend get hurt.

Now, let's say you try to talk some reason into that friend, but he won't listen; he's still bound and determined to jump. Do you, A) stand their silently and let him? B) Get angry and ask him why he's doing this? C) Plead with him not to do this? Or, D) Tell him you're superior to him, so go ahead and jump!

Many Amiga fans are wondering why Hyperion and Clan are preparing to jump off a cliff. People saying things like "too expensive and/or too weak" fall into the "why are you doing this?" category, not the "silently let him" or "go ahead and jump" category. For many, this has moved from wonderment to criticism and then anger because Hyperion doesn't appear to be listening. Without a rational explanation of why this particular hardware and price ratio was chosen, how else can they react?

People like myself, who have argued that "it should be x86, but if it must be PPC, then xBox, Wii or PS3" aren't doing so out of jealousy. We're motivated out of astonishment. If you want to succeed, you need a user base, and in order to have a user base, your solution must be affordable. And, instead, we see our friend getting ready to jump off a cliff yet again.

It sad, really, but I guarantee you, it ain't about camps or jealousy or anything other than fear, disbelief and amazement.

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