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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 29, 2010, 10:40:31 PM »
One of the benefits of dropping in a 68010 is WHDLoad's quit keys will work, which is not the case on a 68000.  Obviously if your system isn't beefy enough to run WHDLoad, this doesn't help you much, but with a couple MB of Fastram and a HD, even a 500 can do alot with WHDLoad.
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2010, 11:12:21 PM »
I have an AdSpeed for sale if anyone is interested. Better solution than trying to hack a 16mhz 68k into the machine and would be faster than the 68010... PM if interested.
 

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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2010, 12:09:20 AM »
I wonder if you could have the best of both worlds and stick an '010 in the AdSpeed.
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2010, 12:23:49 AM »
I think you need this with the 68010 clocked at 14 mhz..
http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?t=4617&page=10

gives you direct acces to fast ram

maybe this ine is better..
http://www.students.tut.fi/~leinone3/ram68k/
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2010, 12:35:26 AM »
Quote from: B00tDisk;561925
More info, please?

Made a new topic on it : http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53013
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2010, 01:28:42 AM »
There is no reason why you can't use a 68010 in the 14mhz daughterboards. Finding a P16 68010 is another issue. Personally I'd rather have something compatible than 2% faster in reality.

Also you will need some sort of patch for earlier Workbench editions, I still have it on a floppy disk somewhere.
 

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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2010, 02:34:33 AM »
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There is no reason why you can't use a 68010 in the 14mhz daughterboards. Finding a P16 68010 is another issue. Personally I'd rather have something compatible than 2% faster in reality.

Also you will need some sort of patch for earlier Workbench editions, I still have it on a floppy disk somewhere.


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One of the benefits of dropping in a 68010 is WHDLoad's quit keys will work, which is not the case on a 68000.


..and I'd rather have a WHDLoad machine I don't have to reboot between games than 100% compatibility.  68010 runs the great majority of things I've tried just fine, however I've since upgraded my 500 to an '030 (for REAL WHDLoad compatibility.)  Obviously throwing an '010 into a floppy based system isn't going to do much for you.
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2010, 03:12:14 AM »
I don't just play games on my Amiga though, and the issue is with KS/WB ie 1.2/1.3. WHDload games are modified and patched for A1200 already so it's got nothing to do with compatibility with actual real games on real disks.

It doesn't actually run any games faster in reality than a 68000 either, been there done that all in the 80s.

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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2010, 08:56:15 AM »
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It doesn't actually run any games faster in reality than a 68000 either, been there done that all in the 80s.


Of course not, why should it?  For the most part that's due to the design of the games, otherwise your Lemmings would all be paste before you had a chance to touch the mouse while playing on an '060.  Were you hoping for a quicker Kong, Daddy-o?
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2010, 10:20:55 AM »
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Of course not, why should it? For the most part that's due to the design of the games, otherwise your Lemmings would all be paste before you had a chance to touch the mouse while playing on an '060. Were you hoping for a quicker Kong, Daddy-o?

Couldn't help it to get this thread also involved here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53018 :)
http://www.gb97816.homepage.t-online.de/gba_tk.htm
 

 
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2010, 10:44:36 AM »
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If someone where to do this for an A500, my god :laughing:

An A4000 motherboard does fit in an A500 case.

..just so you know.
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2010, 11:38:56 AM »
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An A4000 motherboard does fit in an A500 case.
 
..just so you know.

Yeah but then it would be a 4000 with 060, same as adding a Cyberstorm to it.
The trick is to get a 060 working with the A500 board like this A1000 does with this 060.
And since various makers have had 030 boards for it, it shouldn't be that hard.
Just for the fun of it, it would be great :)
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2010, 11:43:08 AM »
But the board in the 1000 isn't an original A1000 board, it's his GBA1000 custom board.  If you're replacing the whole motherboard, you can do anything.

Not to say it isn't cool, but it's not exactly taking an A1000 plugging an '060 in.

edit: and at least a couple of people have hooked up '060 accelerators to their 500s.  Internal would be tricky given the size of any current A2000 '060 cards, but definitely possible.
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Re: A500 68000 16mhz?
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2010, 11:52:53 AM »
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But the board in the 1000 isn't an original A1000 board, it's his GBA1000 custom board. If you're replacing the whole motherboard, you can do anything.
 
Not to say it isn't cool, but it's not exactly taking an A1000 plugging an '060 in.
 
edit: and at least a couple of people have hooked up '060 accelerators to their 500s. Internal would be tricky given the size of any current A2000 '060 cards, but definitely possible.

Yeah it's not impossible, but like that guy said, it will require deep knowledge of the Amiga and pretty good SMD skills.
 
I still would have this over an added board:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53013
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