new os3.x software ?

[ElPolloDiabl]

Something like Simcity 3000 would make good use of the 060s extra horsepower, but it might also be playable on just a 4MB Ram expansion.
Sorry the only thing I can think of that wouldn't need 3D is NFS 1&2. Everything else I've played to death and don't want to see it again in any form.

[fishy_fiz]

Yeah, a more "amiga-fied" Netsurf probably seems the most realistic option at the moment as far as a browser goes. There's also Aweb which is open source, but there's probably more work involved in bringing that up to date. Maybe Awebs javascript could be borrowed for Netsurf ?
As for games, Im actually pleasantly surprised by people saying they'd like to see games that utilize upgraded hardware. Apart from doom clones we saw very few games aimed at an upgraded amigas strengths, and it's always something I've want to see. Also being that my main interest in computers is making games it definately doesnt hurt the motivation to pull my thumb out and make a "serious" amiga game.
Oh, not important really, but my dream game to make for 68k amiga is a Resident Evil type clone. With a bit of imagination from the programming side I'd imagine something similar to Resident Evil on the the ps1 or saturn should be doable on an '030+aga machine.

[Dandy]

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I guess the crux of it all is me wondering just how many 680x0/classic/amithlon/heavy uae, etc users there are still ?

Well, I'm one of them.
My main computer at home is an A4000PPC with Mediator + Voodoo4 + Terratec 512i digital + 10/100 mBit NIC, Deneb USB 2.0 highspeed and OS3.9/WarpOS16.1.
I have also OS4.0 classic installed, but as it does not support everything of my hardware configuration, OS3.9 is my main system.

For the few things that can't be done on the Amiga (or need a disproportional amount of time to be done) I have an XP-PC underneath my desk that I remote control from my Amiga via my home network.

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Not that I expect anythone to get rich from it, but, for example are bounties for os3.x/68k software/features/etc. feasible?

Good idea.

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I know other routes are considered "the future of amiga", but I still enjoy os3.x/68k amiga systems and it would be nice to get some nice new "big" software/features from time to time.

Yeah - but please include support for the BlizzardPPCs and the CyberstormPPCs!
I noticed that the classic PPCs (PuP/WarpOS) are hardly supported nowadays.

Although I'm planning to get an A1 x1000 once they're out, I will have to rely on my OS3.9 system until there is OS 4.x compatible replacement for all my OS3.9 software I bought in the course of the years.

So it might very well take some years until I will switch entirely to OS 4.x, given the pace professional software I'm interested in becomes available for OS 4.x.

[Dandy]

So, of course we are speaking of OS3.x apps, no RTG only 68k apps, so then:

Nope.
I'm only interested if WarpOS and RTG support is includeded.

-Port Zune (MUI Aros clone to 68k w/ native chipset support)
-Netsurf/OWB (68k w/ native chipset support)
-CGX and Warp3d both have a way to be run on AGA (what about a P96 driver for native gfx chipset? It would be slow, but it could allow native chipset gfx users to use P96 programs)
-I allways find it would be great to have a wordprocessor with user customized spelling check dictionaries and a direct support for the .DOC format from the MAC/PC.
-A centralized system preferences program much like Morphos 1.4 and p.O.S. had. This way it is much more comfortable, and avoids having to deal through a crammed Prefs drawer.
-An application that mixes both DevHandler and Wbstartup+ programs functionality
-A good and easy to master "Partition Magic" clone

And a few more that just cant seem to remember

I'd like to see new 3d CAD/CAM (mechanical engineering) soft (like DynaCadd) with full CNC support.
And a modern version of NewIO including part libraries and manufacturing support such as CNC drilling.

MathAmation also was a good app back then, as well as FunctionPlotter.

A text processor/DTP program that supports greek alphabet and the use of mathematical/physical formulas would also be highly appreciated.

Ahh yes - and a soft to glue AVI videos together that I took with my digicam...

In short:
I'd really like to see more engineering and scientific software.

[Dandy]

Life sucks. Then you die.

This is the point where my body and my personality get separated.

Then they throw mud in your face. Then you get eaten by worms.

No.
The body gets mud thrown into its face and the body gets eaten by worms - not me - the personality.

[Crumb]

A MUI Netsurf version with ability to use AGA may be interesting. I have a nice A1200 with 060 and 128MB and lack of CSS sucks. I don't have much problems watching dithered images or no images at all but I want that the layout is not completely messed up. The problem is that even with an optimized version It won't be very fast... mobile phones are now faster than our dear miggies. Of course, perhaps some asm optimized versions of libraries (xml2, expat) may be done but that could take a lot of effort and perhaps little gains. Maybe MorphOS OWB is a better choice than Netsurf but I suspect it requires quite a lot of ram more.

I also would like to have some 060/AGA optimized MPlayer version to replace Moovid but a CSS browser is probably higher priority.

I don't hold my breath waiting for MS word200x compatibility... even OpenOffice sucks when you import/export msword docs that graphic forms. Final Writer and Wordworth are nice wordprocessors, use RTF, forget graphics and no problem.

And another interesting thing would be a cdxl encoder library for ffmpeg/mencoder so we could convert films to cdxl format and play them in our miggies. It may be useful for Tubexx as videos could be converted to cdxl and played smoothly.

[Cammy]

We would need better CDXL playing software first! The current ones are buggy and none of them work on 68000. The ability to use .srt/.sub files would be perfect too, subtitles could be shown on a separate black screen in front of and below the movie.

[Hell Labs]

This is the point where my body and my personality get separated.



No.
The body gets mud thrown into its face and the body gets eaten by worms - not me - the personality.

Religion: Ignoring science since the dawn of time.

[SamuraiCrow]

Religion: Ignoring science since the dawn of time.

How is this related to OS 3.x software?  You and Dandy are getting off topic.

Also, I don't think that science has existed as long as religion so religion is grandfathered in.  :p

[Tumbleweed]

A MUI Netsurf version with ability to use AGA may be interesting. I have a nice A1200 with 060 and 128MB and lack of CSS sucks. I don't have much problems watching dithered images or no images at all but I want that the layout is not completely messed up. The problem is that even with an optimized version It won't be very fast... mobile phones are now faster than our dear miggies. Of course, perhaps some asm optimized versions of libraries (xml2, expat) may be done but that could take a lot of effort and perhaps little gains. Maybe MorphOS OWB is a better choice than Netsurf but I suspect it requires quite a lot of ram more.

How complicated would it be to code a MUI front end for NetSurf?

Not being a coder I haven't the foggiest idea but would it be a realistic goal? Person best palced to answer is probably Artur, who's done the heavy lifting porting Netsurf to M68K or maybe Bernd_AFA who's also been involved could give an idea of what's involved.

Weed

[scuzzb494]

The future is retro so a big yay to that... Os 3.x rocks... 'arrrr ' Bring it on.

.... Will you please stop getting me so excited with such talk. I have been trying kick this nasty habit since 1993.... Never been confused.

Great platform. Great OS. Pretty much great everything. Let's keep that flag flying shall we. I am scuzzb494.. think about it.

scuzz
commodore-amiga-retro

[save2600]

I am scuzzb494.. think about it.

So you were into SCSI devices before '94? That could also mean Mac SCSI. Hmmm... I think you're going to have to work on your screen name a little more so we know precisely what you mean...  LOL!!

[AmigaMance]

Yet another classic Amiga user here.

[Photon]

"ECS":
- IDE interface that supports DMA
- SFS ported to 68000
- Instant loading of icons (proper caching, or even saved, clickable bitmaps)
- extra non-bitplane hires modes (Indivision ECS-like hardware)
- above preferably accelerated, so there is any chance of a fast antialiased font engine or 3D (dreaming...)

"AGA":
- same as above (SFS already works ofc), but an Indivision with similar non-bitplane modes to the ECS version and software 'accelerated' font and 3D might suffice. Won't help the non-accelerated A1200 owners, though.

[scuzzb494]

So you were into SCSI devices before '94? That could also mean Mac SCSI. Hmmm... I think you're going to have to work on your screen name a little more so we know precisely what you mean...  LOL!!

Mostly a ref to b494 which is where I like to stay computer wise. Strange fact that scuzz has nothing to do with SCSI. I have always had a pointless tag associated with forum chat emails etc... And the day I joined one of the Amiga groups it coincided with me setting up a new dialup account, with Virgin I think. Anyway I was asked for a name and as usual popped the first thing that came into my head... This time though it stuck. Not something I had intended... And why scuzz .. well I had been watching Southpark.

[ quote ]

Cartman: Hey you guys. I know a scary story.
Kyle: Shut up, Cartman! You can't scare anybody!
Cartman: [softly, slowly, flashlight ready] Oh yeah? Have you guys
ever heard of [flashlight on] Scuzzlebutt ?
Stan: Whatabutt?
Cartman: Scuzzlebutt is a creature that lives up on this very
mountain, and kills anybody who dares climb to the top.
Stan: Why?
Cartman: Because, it loves the taste of blood, and likes to add
pieces to its deformed body.
Kyle: Deformed how?
Cartman: Well, on his left arm, instead of a hand, he has..
Stan: A hook.
Kyle: A knife.
Cartman: No! A piece of celery.
Stan: Celery?
Cartman: Yeah, and he walks with a limp. Because one of his legs
is missing. And where his leg should be, there's nothing but
..Patrick Duffy.
Kyle: Patrick Duffy? Damn it Cartman, that's not scary!
Cartman: What do you mean? Have you ever seen Step By Step? [Silence]
So he lives alone on this mountain, and weaves baskets,
and other assorted crafts. They say that on quiet nights you can hear him weaving his baskets. Tahink .. tahink .. tahink.
Stan: Cartman, you suck at telling scary stories.
Kyle: Yeah, give me that flashlight. [takes it and turns it off]
Kenny: [Volcano rumbles] (Hey, what's that?)
Kyle: What is that?
Stan: Maybe it's Scuzzlebutt coming to weave us into wicker baskets.
Cartman: Hey, it might be!
Kyle: Gosh, I hope he doesn't cut me with his celery hand.
[the others laugh]
Cartman: You guys! Go to Hell!

[ end quote ]

And thats the truth. I must annoy Scuzz though, the Rock Channel, cus when you Google scuzz in amongst the dozens of pages dedicated to Scuzz Rock Channel there on the first page is Commodore Amiga Retro.... :-)

Where were we ?

scuzzlebutt
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com

[Jose]

Another one here, though not my primary OS, I use an XP machine for work stuff and Amiga for fun computing. Anyway, I think we should focus on apps that most of us want, like web browser.