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Offline Methuselas

Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2010, 09:16:50 AM »
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What should people learn?

Simple economics and free enterprise. I'm assuming that you do know the difference between "supply" and "demand".

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That *you* cannot justify spending money on it?
I'm not the only one apparently. 1500 euros is a lot to spend on an "updated" machine that is still light years behind my main machine, which is by PC standards, now "antiquated". MorphOS got it right with the Efika (and it was still a POS mobo) and then with porting to the Mac Mini. Why? Cheap, readily available hardware.

PPC is dead as a desktop platform. *EVERYONE*knows that the eventual migration of the AmigaOS would naturally progress to the X86 platform. The longer they wait, they more potential end users they lose.

It's all about mathematics...... not rocket science.....


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Why should this change if I should be interested on it or not?

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I never said it did, nor should it, but tell me why you're getting all butt-hurt for me stating the blatantly obvious??? :lol:
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2010, 11:41:49 AM »
But they will cling onto expensive hardware as long as they can.
 
There is no money is making a x86 port because
 
1)  will  not sell many
2)  Will be pirated
3) No money from over priced hardware
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2010, 02:17:44 PM »
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But they will cling onto expensive hardware as long as they can.
 
There is no money is making a x86 port because
 
1)  will  not sell many
2)  Will be pirated
3) No money from over priced hardware


Well, I think OS4 should be always just for PPC.  However, problem for OS4 is that Hyperion/A-EON will never sell that many.  There is no money for hardware that won't sell regardless how over priced it is.  If they don't have sales, they don't have to worry too much about piracy, no one will want to pirate it.
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Offline Varthall

Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2010, 01:08:28 PM »
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What should people learn?

Simple economics and free enterprise. I'm assuming that you do know the difference between "supply" and "demand".

What you mentioned is that people should learn about the general public/the Amiga community not wanting the motherboard (which is not true, since there has been a market for AmigaOnes and Sams, and people are showing interest on the X1000) and that you couldn't justify spending money for it. Hence I question why people should learn about it.

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That *you* cannot justify spending money on it?

I'm not the only one apparently. 1500 euros is a lot to spend on an "updated" machine that is still light years behind my main machine, which is by PC standards, now "antiquated". MorphOS got it right with the Efika (and it was still a POS mobo) and then with porting to the Mac Mini. Why? Cheap, readily available hardware.

You have your reasons for not liking that machine, and your view shared by other people in the community, but that doesn't mean it must be for everyone as you implied.

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PPC is dead as a desktop platform. *EVERYONE*knows that the eventual migration of the AmigaOS would naturally progress to the X86 platform. The longer they wait, they more potential end users they lose.

It's all about mathematics...... not rocket science.....

I think that *EVERYONE* knows that not all the people think the same, that not everyone would like to see an x86 migration and that PPC could still be a viable niche platform. This is mathematics as well :-)

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I never said it did, nor should it, but tell me why you're getting all butt-hurt for me stating the blatantly obvious??? :lol:

I'm not hurt in any way, but anyway you said it:
"not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted."
And you said it again now, saying that it's blatantly obvious :-)

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Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2010, 01:09:18 PM »
OS4 should have been made open source when Eyetech pulled out of the game, since then, very little progress and OS4 is no better off years later (despite the fanboys saying otherwise). I have washed my hands of it, the whole thing is a joke and I am glad to not be a part of it.
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Offline Methuselas

Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2010, 11:42:49 PM »
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What you mentioned is that people should learn about the general public/the Amiga community not wanting the motherboard (which is not true, since there has been a market for AmigaOnes and Sams, and people are showing interest on the X1000) and that you couldn't justify spending money for it. Hence I question why people should learn about it.

No, what I mentioned is supply and demand. Currently the supply is either a series of underpowered (by current PC, Mac and Linux standards) motherboards running an underpowered OS or a single *HIGH* priced motherboard, which is *STILL* under current PC, Mac and Linux standards and running the same, underpowered OS. The demand, however, is cheap, available hardware, that isn't a "precious commodity".

I also mentioned economics. Hyperion and A-EON are businesses, pure and simple. They're in the business to make money, but instead of pushing for more sales in the form of a smaller margin, they're attempting to bleed as much as they can from the smallest, available source which isn't their true demograph. That's not a) good business or b) good marketing.


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You have your reasons for not liking that machine, and your view shared by other people in the community, but that doesn't mean it must be for everyone as you implied.
I never said I didn't like the machine. I simply stated that once again, one the last of the Amiga "companies" has dropped the ball. I think the specs of the machine are great (aside from the all but useless "Xorro" Slot) - for a machine that should have come out 5+ years ago.

I have ample support for the Indivision and the ZorRam. Why? 'Cos it's inexpensive hardware that actually *DOES* something.

If I buy the X1000 am I going to get to play Crisis or any other recent game? No. Am I going to get OpenOffice or MSOffice support? No. Will I get a fully working CSS browser? Maybe, but this is still under debate. Will I get JAVA support? No.

The money I'd spend on an X1000 would be better spent on a PC or a Mac that can do all the commonly done tasks I need to accomplish, daily. Yes, that is *MY* opinion, but it is *ALSO* one supported by a significant portion of the Amiga community.


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I think that *EVERYONE* knows that not all the people think the same, that not everyone would like to see an x86 migration and that PPC could still be a viable niche platform. This is mathematics as well :-)

I also think that the *SMART* ones are aware that we're dominated by X86 technology and only a fool cannot see that. The Amiga is *NOT* a "viable, niche platform" and it never will be. Not until we get something like the Iphone or Ipad. Something that *EVERYONE* is going to want, need and have a use for.


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I'm not hurt in any way, but anyway you said it:
"not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted."
And you said it again now, saying that it's blatantly obvious :-)

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First off, if you're going to quote me, do it verbatim in toto. What I said, exactly, is:

"Yeah, 750 euro "deposit" to test a sub-par OS on a motherboard, that is for all intents and purposes, an a) over priced motherboard based on specs that the *DEVELOPERS* wanted and b) not what the general public, ie the Amiga community, wanted."

I'm going to quote Trevor Dickinson here:

"Prior to beginning the development, we assembled a hardware review team which included Hyperion and key AmigaOS 4 developers. After some intensive research and discussions, the team drew up a "wish list" specification for the ideal AmigaOS 4 computer."

http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction.php&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8

The link is there to provide the proof against the whole "you made it up" from the Zealots.

So, my last point is, since when was a "hardware review team which included Hyperion and key, AmigaOS 4 developers" to become the pseudonym for "general public, ie the Amiga Community"?

So, I go back, once again to, if they want my support and *MY* money, give me something that *I* want and can use, instead of something that *THEY* want.

That's all I'm going to say on this matter and for me, this is the end of the discussion.

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OS4 should have been made open source when Eyetech pulled out of the game, since then, very little progress and OS4 is no better off years later (despite the fanboys saying otherwise). I have washed my hands of it, the whole thing is a joke and I am glad to not be a part of it.


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Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2010, 05:41:43 PM »
I guess I dont have a dog in this race at the moment, but why would they send out a bunch of motherboards for free to random people on the internet ?


as far as "powerPC is dead!" or "OS4 is underpowered!!"... nyeh. Who cares. EVERY aspect of the amiga is "dead" and "outdated" and this will never change. Not 3.x, not 4.x, not morph os, not aros. People like to get tribal about this and pretend their particular choice is somehow better and totally unlike everything else.

On a big scale, nobody gives a crap about whether there's a new machine running OS4 costing a billion dollars. Nobody gives a crap that you can run morph os on a crap old mac. Nobody even knows what the hell AROS is.

What does matter is that YOU get personal enjoyment out of it.
My linux peecee can do everything that ANY of the above machines can do, faster, better, more stable, at less cost and with no limits on my freedom.

But I use my A1200 running 3.1 more because its fun to me.


I may buy a SAM because it looks like it's fun.
Some people use Morph OS because they think its fun.
Some people use AROS because they think its fun.

And you know what ? THats the only thing that matters. Not any of this tribal crap.
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2010, 09:53:30 PM »
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And you know what ? THats the only thing that matters. Not any of this tribal crap.


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Offline persia

Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2010, 11:51:27 PM »
Yeah, I guess what you do for fun is a personal thing.  I spend way more than €1500 on other computer stuff (iPad, android tablets, Mac Mini etc), so who am I to decide how others spend there money.

This isn't a mass market machine, it'll likely never see more than a few hundred made, to some people that justifies the €1500 by itself.  I reacted strongly in the past because I wanted a cutting edge machine for a cheap price, like the original Amiga, but this isn't 1985.  The fact that there's an AmigaLike machine in 2010 that actually stacks up against low end CURRENT machines is phenomenal, to say the least.
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Re: AmigaOne X1000 Beta Test Team and Program
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2010, 04:00:27 AM »
Just thought I'd throw in on this;

While I think the X1000 is interesting, and quit frankly if I weren't in the process of buying a house, I would have bought one.  But the more I think about it, the more I think that it would have been better to go with a Cell processor for a desktop system, or go with an ARM on a cell phone.  But then I also think, well while AmigaOS is awesome, is there really much that's made specifically for version 4.x that isn't out there in some open source form for Linux or other operating systems?

Really, they should have opened up AmigaOS and sold hardware for it, the progression would (could) have been awesome.

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