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Where to find Birdie?
« on: January 11, 2010, 11:11:30 PM »
Hey does anyone know where to download birdie from? Aminet doesn't seem to have it. The 1990 look is great for saving memory, But i've got 2560MB of it.

Throw me a frickin bone here.*





*I'd put a picture of Dr.Evil here but imageshack has a new front page and doesn't actually work now.

EDIT: Found it now. It seems AWeb was having a "little moment". Or it was a spelling error.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 11:29:23 PM by Hell Labs »
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 11:14:10 PM »
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Hey does anyone know where to download birdie from? Aminet doesn't seem to have it. The 1990 look is great for saving memory, But i've got 2560MB of it.

Throw me a frickin bone here.*





*I'd put a picture of Dr.Evil here but imageshack has a new front page and doesn't actually work now.


It is on Aminet it just has a strange name.......which I can't remember.
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 11:20:50 PM »
is this it?
http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/birdie2000

Seems familar. hehe.
 

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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 11:30:15 PM »
EDIT: Anyone know how to get rid of the Annoying Birdie splash screen? And why it doesn't apply anything after reboot until I go into the prefs and click save? It keeps saying "No birdie process found!" when just a second ago I was getting annoyed by the splash screen.


I think i'm getting the appeal of the amiga. It's like being handed the slowest, stripped out car imaginable that only just has enough parts to drive, as well as a few hundred boxes of stuff to bolt on with less instructions included than most stuff from IKEA.

EDIT2: And it turns out the correct answer was "read the guide". There we go!

EDIT3: And now it doesn't show the splash screen, nor work properly unless I open the prefs and click save.

Help?
« Last Edit: January 12, 2010, 01:55:37 AM by Hell Labs »
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 12:54:57 AM »
I use Birdie on my A1200.
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 02:31:50 AM »
Okay all this User-startup shit is getting on my nerves. It's like they saw how the Classic mac os's "startup programs", "Extensions" and "Control panel" Autodetect each boot and thought : "That's a great idea!, lets do something worse!" Why the Hell should I have to tell the OS in a text file where a program is? Why can it go in WBStartup? Why do I have to point Birdie in the direction if it's own god damned prefs file, (Even though logically it should already know where it is!) when it doesn't work without me doing it in the Prefs panel every boot anyway? Why Doesn't the prefs panel come with berdie anyway? Why doesn't it have an installer? Why is customizing AmigaOS ten times worse than doing it to the old Mac OS? Why is it worse than doing it to LINUX?:madashell:

I think commodore actually hated their customers. I Mean, they must have had to go out of their way to make it so hard, or just not bothered making it nice to use anyway. Probably explains why there's So many gui toolkits, for one.


In OS 9, I kid you not, you'd either run the installer, or put an extension in the "extensions" folder, and a control panel in the "control panels" folder, reboot and it (kaleidoscope, the OS 9 equivalent of Birdie and MUI and the icon programs combined and ten times better) worked. Instantly. No faffing about with text files, nothing. Commodore had a year on them and couldn't get it right, and Apple didn't even bother with Multitasking or even COLOUR.



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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 02:35:24 AM »
Do you have it added to your startup-sequence/user-startup ? It needs to be there (and placed correctly) with correct arguements following, otherwise you'll need to manually launch it everytime. By the way if you're an rtg system with '060 (or higher speed(ie. emulated)) I recommend using AFA_OS instead. It's skinning system is more flexible and it also adds other functionality too (anti aliased fonts, 32bit png icons, faster icons, zune, etc.).

p.s. Startup sequence and user startup rock. You just need to understand amigaos a little to use it properly. Also, WBStartup is handy, but not half as flexible. Birdie is a command line program, thats why you need to add arguements and why you cant just place it in WBStartup.
Startup-sequence and user-startup are very simple and easy to use, no other system lets you so easily customise your system. And for the record, yes even Mac OS, etc need to be told where everything is, it just hide it from the user unless they care to look for it. Personally I like having complete control over my computer and not have it assume Im stupid.
As for birdie if you want your arguements for birdie, just check open up the birdie file in env and it'll give them to you. Basically though its a 3rd party system hack, if you want to use things like that then you need to learn AmigaOS a little. Whinging because of your lack of knowledge isnt the best way to get help.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2010, 02:55:08 AM by fishy_fiz »
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 02:36:35 AM »
Strange name :-/
 

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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 05:01:35 AM »
It doesn't look like Amigas are the right system for you. Luckily they're still in demand on eBay, and you'll probably make your money back if you sold it.
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 05:51:29 AM »
Goodbye Birdie & VisualPrefs, it's now AfA_OS all the way :)
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2010, 06:51:43 AM »
Nah, it's just your Amiga adapting to your lab, which is in Hell, I reckon, from your nick.
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 10:01:34 AM »
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Commodore had a year on them and couldn't get it right


Birdie was made by Trond Werner Hansen, a norwegian Amiga user. Not by Commodore. It's an unofficial hack to make the WB nicer. It does a lot of things that it shouldn't... :-)

The reason for Startup-Sequence, User-Startup and WBStartup is that some programs are supposed to run before LoadWB. Programs like Birdie which hacks the way windows are drawn.

User-Startup is pretty safe to toy around with, Startup-Sequence is lower level, still pretty safe if you take the appropriate precautions, but still - warranty void if you toy with it :-)

Now, take a deep breathe, read up on the manual to birdie and other patches you might have running. Birdie is a strange bird which isn't too happy if you crowd it.
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2010, 01:17:34 PM »
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Birdie was made by Trond Werner Hansen, a norwegian Amiga user. Not by Commodore. It's an unofficial hack to make the WB nicer. It does a lot of things that it shouldn't... :-)

I know It wasn't made by Commodore. I'm just saying C's Design choices here have made it harder than it needs to be.

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The reason for Startup-Sequence, User-Startup and WBStartup is that some programs are supposed to run before LoadWB. Programs like Birdie which hacks the way windows are drawn.

I'm really not used to this. My mac always knows it has to load up every patch/hack/whatever in the extensions folder. To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder. Nice, clean, simple, all loads before Finder opens. Want a program to open after the Finder desktop? there's a folder for that too. It's nice, no effort required, universal on the classic os.

Going back to ms dos-style config files feels like I've had my bed taken off me by a strange man, who then hands over a stone knife, points in the direction of a bear, and says "It's simple, isn't it!"

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User-Startup is pretty safe to toy around with, Startup-Sequence is lower level, still pretty safe if you take the appropriate precautions, but still - warranty void if you toy with it :-)

Now, take a deep breathe, read up on the manual to birdie and other patches you might have running. Birdie is a strange bird which isn't too happy if you crowd it.

I did everything the manual said... Unless I missed something because I was tired.


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Do you have it added to your startup-sequence/user-startup ? It needs to be there (and placed correctly) with correct arguements following, otherwise you'll need to manually launch it everytime. By the way if you're an rtg system with '060 (or higher speed(ie. emulated)) I recommend using AFA_OS instead. It's skinning system is more flexible and it also adds other functionality too (anti aliased fonts, 32bit png icons, faster icons, zune, etc.).

Yeah it's in my user-startup. I'm going to have a look at AFA_OS then, good idea.

Quote from: fishy_fiz;537756
p.s. Startup sequence and user startup rock. You just need to understand amigaos a little to use it properly. Also, WBStartup is handy, but not half as flexible. Birdie is a command line program, thats why you need to add arguements and why you cant just place it in WBStartup.

I suppose they might be useful If you're used to them. I don't see the need when there could just be a folder called "put stuff in there if you want to load it before the workbench" And Birdie being a command line program seems a very strange choice.


 
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Startup-sequence and user-startup are very simple and easy to use, no other system lets you so easily customise your system. And for the record, yes even Mac OS, etc need to be told where everything is, it just hide it from the user unless they care to look for it.

Easy to use if you've been using it for a long time. And the only time I know of where MACOS is like you described is when you move a system folder, unless you're talking about X is which case that doesn't count.

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Personally I like having complete control over my computer and not have it assume Im stupid.

Personally I like having my computer do things that are common sense, and not need spoon feeding the simplest of things. I HAVE to assume the amiga is stupid, unless I want it to destroy all of my things and set fire to the carpet in the style of the chuckle brothers.

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As for birdie if you want your arguements for birdie, just check open up the birdie file in env and it'll give them to you. Basically though its a 3rd party system hack, if you want to use things like that then you need to learn AmigaOS a little. Whinging because of your lack of knowledge isnt the best way to get help.

Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.

I'm goinna have a look at AFA_OS then.
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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2010, 01:43:28 PM »
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I think i'm getting the appeal of the amiga. It's like being handed the slowest, stripped out car imaginable that only just has enough parts to drive, as well as a few hundred boxes of stuff to bolt on with less instructions included than most stuff from IKEA.


Bingo dude! :D

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Re: Where to find Birdie?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2010, 02:26:58 PM »
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I'm really not used to this. My mac always knows it has to load up every patch/hack/whatever in the extensions folder. To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder. Nice, clean, simple, all loads before Finder opens. Want a program to open after the Finder desktop? there's a folder for that too. It's nice, no effort required, universal on the classic os.
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