Where to find Birdie?

[0amigan0]

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I'm really not used to this. My mac always knows it has to load up every patch/hack/whatever in the extensions folder. To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder. Nice, clean, simple, all loads before Finder opens. Want a program to open after the Finder desktop? there's a folder for that too. It's nice, no effort required, universal on the classic os.
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It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers.

One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective.

[Fingers]

It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers.

One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective.

C'mon now, that's not nice!

How about we just go about explaining it this way:

Think of the Extensions folder on your Mac as the Startup-Squence on your Miggy...it just needs to be altered as text (like any old OS...yeah, this shit is old).
The other folder you mention that starts stuff after boot (dunno what it's called in OS X....even though I own three Macs...LOL), just consider it to be the WBStartup folder on your Amiga.

Has this already been mentioned? Ah, I don't care........I'm drunk!

PZ.

[amigadave]

It doesn't look like Amigas are the right system for you. Luckily they're still in demand on eBay, and you'll probably make your money back if you sold it.

+1

[Hell Labs]

It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers.

One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective.

So you just admitted the old mac os handles this better, while trying to insult me at the same time. That deserves another star trek facepalm to me.

I've got AFA_OS installed now, but I think I preferred the way birdie made it look. I think I'll have another go with that then.

[AeroMan]

It's a well-known fact the Lam-intosh is made for losers.

One of Microsoft's next tv-advertising should be like this: a group of mentally-handicapped people going around to shop for a computer system. Eventually they'll find a computer that best suits them, a Macintosh. Then the slogan catch-phrase appears on screen, "Winners don't use the macintosh" ! That ad would surely be effective.

I like the way older Macs did this. Directly and simple. The Amiga way is also nice, you just need to go low level if you really need, and it is easy to deal with the startup-sequence and other text files that are used.
You can follow MS guys and use the registry, deal with junk left there by uninstalled programs, play "guess where my dll is?", "why my computer is sooo sloooow?", "let´s reinstall it this week"  and other nice games for winners

[Hell Labs]

I like the way older Macs did this. Directly and simple. The Amiga way is also nice, you just need to go low level if you really need, and it is easy to deal with the startup-sequence and other text files that are used.
You can follow MS guys and use the registry, deal with junk left there by uninstalled programs, play "guess where my dll is?", "why my computer is sooo sloooow?", "let´s reinstall it this week"  and other nice games for winners

Anything is better than the way windows does stuff. Somehow I'm using 150gb hard disk space, even though this same machine, with the same documents, used about 20gb under XP.:confused: IS technology going backwards? I think a downgrade is in order.

[fishy_fiz]

Just a thought, but have you considered using Amikit ? If youre new to AmigaOS something like that might be of interest to you, unless of course youre enjoying building your system from a basic install (a fun, but sometimes tedious hobby of mine). Amikit also gives a good example of how AFA_OS can enhance the look of a system.

http://amikit.amiga.sk/screenshots.htm

If it's not for you and you want to use birdie still however just let me know and I'll run you through birdie step by step.

[AmigaHeretic]

Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.

It is outdated.  The basic WB 3.x hasn't really been updated since it came out in 1992-ish.  There is 3.5 and 3.9 but those weren't really OS updates as mush as they were packaged "free commoditues/hacks".  

Comparing it to Mac OS 9 isn't really fair.  When 3.x came out the Amiga had only existed for 7 years.  Mac OS 9 came out nearly 8 YEARS after 3.x.  

To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder.

That's exactly how AmigaOS works!  It's called the WBStartup folder (Workbench Startup)

Put stuff in there and it starts.  Take it out and it doesn't start!


Amiga ALSO gives you the power to do it through User-Startup so you can script your own things.  Maybe you want to make something that does a lot of commands.  


Sure Birdie has to be added into Startup-Sequence in a non-standard way, but that's because it a HUGE Hack & Patch to the OS.   Normally you wouldn't do it.  You just through it in WBStartup folder like most OS enhancements.

[Hell Labs]

It is outdated.  The basic WB 3.x hasn't really been updated since it came out in 1992-ish.  There is 3.5 and 3.9 but those weren't really OS updates as mush as they were packaged "free commoditues/hacks".  

Comparing it to Mac OS 9 isn't really fair.  When 3.x came out the Amiga had only existed for 7 years.  Mac OS 9 came out nearly 8 YEARS after 3.x.  

Let's compare it to system 7 then, from the same time: still true.

That's exactly how AmigaOS works!  It's called the WBStartup folder (Workbench Startup)

Put stuff in there and it starts.  Take it out and it doesn't start!

WBStartup is not the same. Extensions are not programs, they are libraries. Birdie designed by a sane person would be a library with a Pref panel to control it.

Amiga ALSO gives you the power to do it through User-Startup so you can script your own things.  Maybe you want to make something that does a lot of commands.  

Applescript in the startup programs folder.

Sure Birdie has to be added into Startup-Sequence in a non-standard way, but that's because it a HUGE Hack & Patch to the OS.   Normally you wouldn't do it.  You just through it in WBStartup folder like most OS enhancements.

It's not a huge hack. it's a teeny tiny one that just replaces window borders and then buggers off for a drink. Kalidoscope is from the system 7 era, replaces the entire interface, and requires no editing of weird text files.

[StormLord]

Let's compare it to system 7 then, from the same time: still true.



WBStartup is not the same. Extensions are not programs, they are libraries. Birdie designed by a sane person would be a library with a Pref panel to control it.


Applescript in the startup programs folder.




It's not a huge hack. it's a teeny tiny one that just replaces window borders and then buggers off for a drink. Kalidoscope is from the system 7 era, replaces the entire interface, and requires no editing of weird text files.

don't forget that OS9 didn't have preemptive multitasking, and is still a decade later than OS3, also thats only ONE of the reasons for WBstartup and Startup-sequence or User-Startup.
Some time hacks or programs must be run before or after something other, also putting configurability is another reason that something is in need to run from Shell (user startup or S-S)
in Mac you Can't have parameters in the extensions you add, nor you can control the priority of the task not even the startup priority, thats why we mac technicians renamed some extensions with symbols or number before name, so to start them first, example is ATM manager.

Advanced stuff needs advanced interaction! ;-)

[Thorham]

If you dislike AmigaOS so much and think MacOs is so cool, then why are you wasting your time with AmigaOs? Just stick to your Mac, forget the Amiga and be happy

[Hell Labs]

If you dislike AmigaOS so much and think MacOs is so cool, then why are you wasting your time with AmigaOs? Just stick to your Mac, forget the Amiga and be happy

I wonder that. I really do. So far, the amiga in a nutshell:

shit, yet fast operating system
nice hardware
price gouged market

fair?

[StormLord]

I wonder that. I really do. So far, the amiga in a nutshell:

shit, yet fast operating system
nice hardware
price gouged market

fair?

well... its actually the opposite!!!

great operating system
advanced technological hardware for its age, shitty quality though (and I mean REAL shitty!)
cheapest machine on its age (for its potential, actually there weren't any competitors!)
most expensive price than other obsolete hardware now.

[Hell Labs]

well... its actually the opposite!!!

great operating system
advanced technological hardware for its age, shitty quality though (and I mean REAL shitty!)
cheapest machine on its age (for its potential, actually there weren't any competitors!)
most expensive price than other obsolete hardware now.

Great as in "it multitasked and could have multiple screens". To be honest it contains no features other than that and would be basically impossible to turn into a modern system.
The Price of amiga stuff now is terrible unless you buy a job lot of stuff, and all those responsible should feel ashamed.

[MskoDestny]

shit, yet fast operating system

I don't think that's terribly fair. Classic Mac OS generally had better usability (though having to manually adjust memory limits for software wasn't so nice....), but was a complete mess architecturally. It was a single tasking OS until System 5 came out in 1987 and multitasking was implemented as an extension until System 7. Even then it was a rather nasty hack that wasn't cleaned up until OS X. Further all file access went through the Finder and the finder could only support a single operation at a time until Mac OS 8.

Also keep in mind, that Commodore went under in 1994 roughly 3 years before the release of Mac OS 8. If you want to be fair you should be comparing Workbench 3.1 with System 7 (which to be fair to you, did have the Extension folder which is what you were specifically talking about).

Now Amiga OS had (and to an extent still has in Amiga OS 4) its own share of architectural warts, but for its time the design was quite clean.

price gouged market

Well only after Commodore went out of business. The machines were quite cheap for what you got when they were still in production.

[cv643d]

Birdie is not the most userfriendly app to install and run on an Amiga, but considering it is a OS patch/hack its easy to install.

If it was MS-DOS system, you have to learn autoexec and config.sys. If it is Amiga and you want to run a bit higher end system you need some insight into user-startup and startup-sequence.