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What should i buy as my christmas present?
« on: December 01, 2009, 02:29:48 AM »
What should i buy as my christmas present?

The thing is that i have 300 USD burning a hole in my pocket, and are in the fate of becoming my Christmas gift.
So basically i am having some problems on deciding where should that money be spent. I have narrowed down the  choices to:

1-Buy a mediator for my 040 Amiga 1200
2-Buy a mac mini (Maybe install Morphos)
3-Buy a Power Mac G4 (Double mirrored drive) (and maybe install Morphos for it when available)
4-Spend only 40 USD in expansions to make my old PC AROS capable
5-Sell my Amiga+accelerator+miggy stuff to buy a SAM (This option is the most underrated by me)
6-Something else

What would you do?
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 02:50:34 AM »
Quote from: Gulliver;532020
What should i buy as my christmas present?

The thing is that i have 300 USD burning a hole in my pocket, and are in the fate of becoming my Christmas gift.
So basically i am having some problems on deciding where should that money be spent. I have narrowed down the  choices to:

1-Buy a mediator for my 040 Amiga 1200

Why waste your money? Amiga is dead.

2-Buy a mac mini (Maybe install Morphos)

Oh God, you are going from the frying pan into the fire, total waste of money

3-Buy a Power Mac G4 (Double mirrored drive) (and maybe install Morphos for it when available)

Your getting worse

4-Spend only 40 USD in expansions to make my old PC AROS capable

Well your getting warm, but an old PC.

5-Sell my Amiga+accelerator+miggy stuff to buy a SAM (This option is the most underrated by me)

Come on now what are you going to do with a SAM, put an Amiga OS on it and look at it.

6-Something else

Now we are there, go out to either pricewatch.com, or TigerDirect.com or NewEgg.com and look at the sales on a new modern day PC with Windows 7, then go out and get Amiga Forever 2009 and C64 Forever and install it on your PC. Then if you want get a good OS by installing a Linux OS on it, I use Ubuntu, this is totally free and so are all the programs for it, you have a huge party of third string developers doing software (you know, like back in the old days for the Amiga) but unlike the Amiga there is support. Why waste money on obsolete dead computers, or computers that act like an Amiga, there is no support, there are no software developers, and no update parts being manufactured, not only that but if something does come out you are paying almost the cost of a PC to buy that upgrade.

Now lets talk about the over rated, over priced Apple crap. Do you earn over 300,000 a year? Are you RICH, can you afford $400 a pop for software? Do you like games? and also can you talk with a nasal accent?

If not then a MAC is not for you unless it is a big MAC from McDonalds.

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 03:45:17 AM »
I'd either get a Mac Mini or the Mediator board and a bunch of PCI cards for it  :-)
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 03:54:14 AM »
All the above sound like fun projects.

Personally, I'd like to play with the SAM.

As an alternative, you could just keep the money until you've decided what you really want.
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 06:26:17 AM »
Amiga is dead -> I participate in an Amiga forum -> I am a necrophile and the prince of the obvious.
A1200 PPC user.
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 07:25:27 AM »
Quote from: Gulliver;532020
What should i buy as my christmas present?

The thing is that i have 300 USD burning a hole in my pocket, and are in the fate of becoming my Christmas gift.
So basically i am having some problems on deciding where should that money be spent. I have narrowed down the  choices to:

1-Buy a mediator for my 040 Amiga 1200
2-Buy a mac mini (Maybe install Morphos)
3-Buy a Power Mac G4 (Double mirrored drive) (and maybe install Morphos for it when available)
4-Spend only 40 USD in expansions to make my old PC AROS capable
5-Sell my Amiga+accelerator+miggy stuff to buy a SAM (This option is the most underrated by me)
6-Something else

What would you do?

It really depends on what you are interested in doing with a computer?

1st thing to do is "ignore smerf", he constantly spouts the only good Amiga is an emulated one with Linux, or Windows running underneath it on new PC hardware that will be out of date before you can get it home and will probably break down within the first year or two.  Unless you choose his suggestion to run Linux, you will be asked to upgrade the Windows OS every couple of years or so, with the promise that this version has fixed all the past problems and that it will make your life wonderful because you can now do what most competent computer users could already do a few years ago already, if they only took the time to learn how to do it. (now before you come on here and laugh at my "out of date before you can get it home" remark compared to how out of date any Amiga is, they are obviously two completely different things.  One is supposed to be modern and up to date and the other is either a retro-classic antique computer system, or the "Next Gen" versions are a tiny, almost non-existent niche hobby system that can in no way shape or form compare to any modern PC, or Mac system.  So, now on to your list.

1) Mediator for A1200 - if you currently enjoy your A1200 and want to expand it so you can use cheap Ethernet cards, a better graphics card, a sound card and maybe a TV tuner card, then the Mediator might be a good choice, though not a cheap choice (nothing in the World of Amiga purchasing is a bargain, nor has it been for a very long time, although I personally think getting a used G4 MacMini at a good price and purchasing MorphOS2.4 license is very close to being a bargain compared to the rest of the Amiga market).

2) MorphOS2.4 on a G4 MacMini - I have a 1.5GHz G4 MacMini with a licensed copy of MorphOS2.4 running on it and have to tell you that it is the closest thing to feeling the same excitement I felt when I bought my first used A1000 in 1987.  It still needs more apps and games (needs more developers and users), but it is really very usable for many things now and the OWB browser is rather good and pretty fast on my G4 MacMini.  It runs most Classic Amiga software very well if it does not bang the hardware, and it can run EUAE for those programs and games that do bang the hardware.  I can easily recommend this option without any reservations.

3) Buy a used G4 PowerMac and wait for MorphOS2.x to support it - I can't fault this choice for most of the same reasons for #2 above, but I don't see too much advantage for the wait, unless you can get such a PowerMac for a lot less than you can find the G4 MacMini.  It has been confirmed that MorphOS2.4 runs very well even on the slower models of the G4 MacMini and even with multiple screens open, the lower 32mb graphics card models do not seem to have any problems running out of VRAM, but this may not be the case if you want to run every screen in 24bit and you have a very large LCD and are using 1920x1080 resolution.  I do not know, as I have the 64mb VRAM model, but I can say that running at that 1920x1080 on my 23 inch Acer LCD, or 1600x1050 on my 20 inch Dell LCD, I have had no issues with low VRAM at any time with many screens open at the same time.  That being said, having the option to use a 128mb VRAM 9000, or 9250 graphics card in a G4 PowerMac is an attractive option to have for the future, so I have already started keeping an eye peeled for a REALLY LOW price for a G4 PowerMac and will probably get one some day, unless the MorphOS Development Team announces that they have decided to support the G5 PowerMac models before I find a free, or very low priced G4 PowerMac model to buy (they have already said that this will probably never happen, so don't take me wishing for it as any indication that it ever will happen).

4) $40 upgrade to PC for AROS - I can't really say anything one way or the other about this choice, as I am not up to speed on anything to do with AROS, or it's Sister ICAROS.  I have never run either of them, though I have downloaded the ICAROS iso and plan to take a look at it in the near future.  This is your lowest cost option and many would say the smartest choice from a monetary point of view.  I can't disagree with that logic.  The OS is free and the hardware is lower than any of the other options.

5) Sell your existing Classic Amiga collection to purchase a SAM440 system - Like you, this is the least attractive option to me, but there are many others that love their SAM440 systems and would disagree with both of us very vigorously.  I am hopeful that AmigaOS4.x will prosper and continue to improve over time, as although I would rather have all AmigaOS4.x, MorphOS2.x and AROS users and developers back together working on and for one common OS, instead of having our small community split into even smaller sub-communities, it just isn't going to happen (not in my life time anyway).  So, with this being a fact of life, I actually see the competition between the three different OSes as a good thing, as it drives each group to try to out do each of the others, because programmers (at least most of the ones in our small community) are prideful ego driven ba$tards who want to show that they are better than their counterparts in the opposing OS development teams.  I can't wait until I have learned more about programming so I can become just like them,  :roflmao:but I am getting off topic.  Unless you are hung up on having the "Official" Amiga trademark attached to your OS, I think that AmigaOS4.x and MorphOS2.x are very similar in what they can do at this point in time.  The MorphOS2.x benchmarks have been shown to be faster than AmigaOS4.x on the same hardware and to give MorphOS2.4 an even bigger edge in terms of speed, the architecture of the G4 MacMini has been shown to be almost twice as fast as a similarly clocked G4 Pegasos2 machine.  This coupled with the low price that you can find G4 MacMini's for makes the choice between an AmigaOS4.1 SAM440 system and a G4 MacMini MorphOS2.4 system a very easy decision to make, but your mileage may vary and I know that many AmigaOS4.1 SAM440 users are very happy with their decision and I don't fault them for their happiness in that choice.

6)Other - PC's are very cheap now and if you can't afford the space for two systems, or you can't afford to waste money on having two different kinds of systems, doing as smerf said and getting a new PC, or even an almost new PC and putting AmigaForever/AmiKit/AmigaSys/WinUAE/Linux & EUAE on it is a valid option.

As I started this long post with, it really depends on what you want to do with it.  There are still some things that a Classic Amiga is best for, if you still enjoy that retro world and running all those thousands of apps and games on something you can only get that old feeling you once had from again.  I guess Amiga mod music is one thing that having a Classic Amiga is still good, if not best for.  Hope you got some help from my long reply, or at least some entertainment value.
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 07:44:20 AM »
I would do this:

1. Sell your amiga mediator and keep just the essentials to play games
2. Buy a macmini, or even cheaper, a Powermac for Morphos
3. Hope OS4.1 comes for Powermac too.

This way you will have best of both worlds, considering the mad prices on a Sam.
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 10:47:29 AM »
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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 11:35:40 AM »
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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 02:55:35 PM »
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That quoted post was totally useless, here's a guy who is asking what be could do with his 300 bucks and you come on here to an Amiga fan based webste and basically say everything Amiga related is s**t. Opinion respected (just) but wrong.

I would get a Mediator, that way you can get noticeable PCI performance upgrades at affordable prices. On top of that you still have a 'Real' Amiga, not a SAM or anything of that sort. :) $300 Won't get you far towards a SAM even if you sell off all your gear.
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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2009, 03:12:44 PM »
What this about a nasal accent?  Even the Garbos, Posties and Jannies talk with a nasal accent round these parts.  I can't actually find anyone who doesn't have one.  What's wrong with them, mate?  You live in a tiny plastic globe where there are speakers pouring out non-nasal accents for your listening pleasure?  

I got two fingers for you mate, one for each of your IQ points...

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 03:15:55 PM »
What exactly is a "nasal accent"? Nasality is a feature of resonance, not pronunciation.

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 03:17:32 PM »
I should probably start a bounty to get the owner of Amiga.org introduce himself as such! ;)

Speaking seriously, it seems to me @amigadave is on the right tracks on this one, I won´t sell my classic stuff to buy an underpowered SAM, and an immature OS just because it is called AmigaOS 4!
A mediator is simply an expensive whim for those who have too much money to spend, and have nowhere else to spend it (Should i even dare compare the thought of buying at $280 a pci busboard or an entire, second hand Mac, at exactly the same price?).
So i have it narrowed again to choices 2,3,4 and 6.

Thanks for the advice until now...

Now it comes down to making the right choice :0
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 03:43:49 PM »
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5) Sell your existing Classic Amiga collection to purchase a SAM440 system - Like you, this is the least attractive option to me, but there are many others that love their SAM440 systems and would disagree with both of us very vigorously.  


I disagree with you vigorously. No, just kidding. :)

I for one would like to try/own a SAM. I always seem to put my money on something else though. This year, we spent our dough on a vacation trip. My wife has had this dream to go to Greece since she was a little girl, so we went.
 

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Re: What should i buy as my christmas present?
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 03:51:13 PM »
Well, Mediator isn't cheap (not surprising for a piece of classic Amiga hardware :D ), but if you consider that you can get, let's say, Voodoo3, PCI ethernet card, Terratec 128i practically for free and then think how much you would pay for Cybervision/Picasso IV, XSurf, Tocatta, all of which are arguably worse than their PCI counterparts, all of a sudden it doesn't seem that expensive. And you can also buy Prometheus for ~€110...

Anyway, I hope you enjoy your Christmas present whatever it will be :)
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