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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #119 on: November 30, 2009, 11:35:25 AM »
Hi,

I only joined Amiga org earlier in the year and have found the members to be very useful with information when i needed it.

I hope that this issue doesnt cause any more members with good knowledge to leave this website.

All we need is closure on this...
 

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #120 on: November 30, 2009, 11:41:50 AM »
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.

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I'm 'afraid' about that !
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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #121 on: November 30, 2009, 12:53:58 PM »
Sooooooooooo, you guys REALLY think Wayne would haphazzardly give everyones info. to some Tom, Dick, or Mary without:

A) knowing the new owner in such a way that he feels absolutly safe in handing over the site/info.

and/or

B) making sure clauses are in plcae that would hold the new owner to the same rules and promises that owner AND users registered under.

Seriously, why is there little to no trust all of the sudden?  Where is this paranoia coming from?
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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #122 on: November 30, 2009, 01:12:40 PM »
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I think I can understand why the new owner(s) would want to keep their identity a secret.  Having read through this thread, if I had bought Amiga.org, I wouldn't want to say anything.  


And that was always an option.  Instead he/she argeed to give a "scoop" (as Wayne likes to call it) to the show often co-hosted by the middleman to the deal and new site admin.  And it was decided to advertise the time and place of that public show well in advance.

As a member of the general Amiga community I did not ask for the identity.  What I think is not good here is yet another circus-like situation from yet another failed announcement of an announcement that wastes people's time after the people making the announcement themselves are who worked to make folks interested.
 

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #123 on: November 30, 2009, 02:03:37 PM »
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.

goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens


Hi Jens

Please stay, as the Site Admin I can assure you that everyone's personal information on  Amiga.org is secure. All members privacy is respected and kept safe. If you still want your account removed I will respect that request and do it at the end of the week.
 

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #124 on: November 30, 2009, 02:14:25 PM »
Have we lost Jens and possibly VingtTrois as valued members of the community? Has the rot started over all this hype, rumors and failed appearences by the new owner of A.org? Are we staring at the abyss? Admin can say 'your info is safe' but ..?

Answers please ... anonymity or not, I believe we deserve nothing less than to know who it is that owns this place now or I fear more will depart.

Step up to the plate new A.org owner, show us who you are!
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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #125 on: November 30, 2009, 02:18:35 PM »
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Have we lost Jens and VingTrois as valued members of the community? Has the rot started over all this hype, rumors and failed appearences by the new owner of A.org? Are we staring at the abyss? Admin can say 'your info is safe' but ..?

Answers please ... anonymity or not, I believe we deserve nothing less than to know who it is that owns this place now or I fear more will depart.

Step up to the plate new A.org owner, show us who you are!


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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #126 on: November 30, 2009, 02:21:38 PM »
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No, I'm not "lost

Good ... I was just checking :)
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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2009, 02:21:48 PM »
To the new owner(s) of A.org, do the professional thing and announce yourself as such.  I see no benefit to this community of Amiga enthusiast to wait for your disclosing your identities, unless to your own knowledge that it will be received poorly.  Already I have seen some negative affects starting to erode at the membership with Jens now requesting to be removed, which he has been a huge asset to this site amongst many others who share their knowledge and expertise with this community and have made A.org what it is.  Your call.....
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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2009, 02:54:21 PM »
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Hi Jens

Please stay, as the Site Admin I can assure you that everyone's personal information on  Amiga.org is secure. All members privacy is respected and kept safe.


You were surprised recently when the anonymous large donor to Amizilla closed that DFX sponsored bounty.  Lets hope you are not surprised again by some action of the new anonymous owner of Amiga.org in the future.

At a minimum the new owner has done something very confusing already.  And even though you were the middleman on the deal, his site admin, and a co-host of the ART show, you could not convince him to stick with his decision.  Ultimately he is the person in charge, and he has already shown he is not afraid to leave you and MobbyG holding the bag, or to do stuff other than what you would want.
 

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #129 on: November 30, 2009, 03:24:44 PM »
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Are you saying I am?


you are making stuff up with no facts. I like a entertaining fiction as much as the next person, but I know the difference between reality and fantasy.

In the post I am referring to you directly questioned Wayne's truthfulness. Frankly I think that is uncalled for.
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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #130 on: November 30, 2009, 03:25:37 PM »
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I guess the question is, "Why not tell us?"  I mean do we really need more secrets around this community?
A fair question and concern.  Thank you.

I can't speak for the new owner(s) because I haven't really had the chance to talk to them about it yet.  I don't think it's a marketing thing at all because yes, it "forces" you to use the site to find info, but on the other hand, it does so in an extremely negative way which isn't the right way to do things at all.

I absolutely agree that there were better ways to handle yesterday's situation, such as not setting it up that way, but it all worked out pretty well, all things considered.

If I were to make an educated guess, I'd say that Bill and I had completely talked them into the ART announcement thinking it would be the best way to do it.  Unfortunately, I think that the new owner(s) are much more private person(s) than that and really don't want to be the center of things or to be a "rock star" in the community.  

That I can easily understand, considering how often I've been vilified and strung to a cross in the community.  While I happen to have grown into the "rock star" status, it's not for everyone and I've got a feeling that the new owner(s) simply want life as we all know it to continue in my absence with someone we can trust (Bill P) not to screw it up at the wheel.

As their reason was explained to me from the beginning, they knew that I as getting out, they had seen what happened to the community in 2000 with the closing of the AWD, and just didn't want me to simply shut it down one random day as Kevin did with the AWD.

The simple truth is that while I love this site and I truly enjoy dealing with everyone here (and truth-to-tell, even get a kick out of all the melodrama), I haven't physically touched an Amiga in 10 years.  I sold my 3000UX shortly after the fall of Commodore while I could still get payoff prices for the loan.  As I said on ART yesterday, I've never found an Amiga I couldn't crash within about 12 seconds.

As such, while I do this job of keeping the site rolling, you can all understand (hopefully) that there are simply people out there that can do a better job.  You guys DESERVE someone who can do that, and when I was approached by the new owner(s) with their idea to have Bill P run the day-to-day, I was elated.  

I can't even remotely fathom why anyone would have a problem with Bill P, but I also can't think of anyone FROM this community who can do a better job at supporting the community the way it deserves.  Of everyone left in the community, there were only two choices in my mind, the other being Kermit Woodall of NovaDesign, but he's pretty much moved on to real life like I need to.

I firmly believe that while I could have easily gotten more money selling the site to Spanish lesbians, the new owner(s) have exactly the attitude necessary to run this site, and the fact that they want to remain "in the shadows" tells me that they're far more serious about it and much less concerned about being a "rock star", which is -- in my mind -- utterly flippin' fantastic.

In the end, all I can ask is that everyone remain calm and just give it a chance.  Besides.  Ask yourself honestly whether there's anyone in the community (or outside of it) that I could have sold the site to that you wouldn't be immediately critical of, then admit to yourself the answer is really no.  

Once you do that, you'll be in a much better mental position to deal with the changeover, and I'll be in a much better position to take my hands off the reigns and start living my pathetic little life.  :)

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #131 on: November 30, 2009, 03:38:00 PM »
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Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.

goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens
Let me assure each of you to two very clear things here.

1) I will not delete any accounts because anyone's in a panic over this.  Doing so leads to either orphaned posts or screwed up threads with thousands of responses simply missing.

2) There is absolutely zero information obtainable by anyone, save for your pseudonym (username) and perhaps your e-mail address.  No one, including myself, has EVER had access to anything other than that, and in the entire 15 year history of this web site, I've sent out exactly 3 mass mails informing you of changes to the site.

Frankly, in this community, I have a hell of a lot of respect for you Jens.  I truly do.  Your work for the platform and the community is amazing.  I understand everyone's concerns and fears over any change.  We're Amiga users and used to being melodramatic, but I was not expecting such a violent knee-jerk reaction to -- again -- something so trivial.  

Seriously, the guy a few posts above had it right.

If I had never announced the sale and just did it, would any of you have cared, or even noticed?  It's not like I was posting every day and jumping in at every chance to be noticed.

If you truly want to walk away and not use your account, that's entirely your choice.  

I'm sincerely hoping you'll (and everyone else will) calm down and realize that life as we know it on this site will continue unabated.  Especially since I'll still be around for the foreseeable future to help guide things.

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #132 on: November 30, 2009, 03:46:52 PM »
Quote from: Schoenfeld;531872
Yes, it does. The man owns the site, and with it, access to personal information. I'd like to know who has access to that, and because I don't, I kindly request to delete my account and all it's accompanied personal data. Please do so before the end of the week. I may re-register if I like the new owner.

goodbye and thanks for all the fish,
Jens


why dont you just use a fake/duplicate account like i have! :p
 

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #133 on: November 30, 2009, 03:49:54 PM »
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why dont you just use a fake/duplicate account like i have! :p
In your case, I'll make an exception.  

I hope no one takes this seriously as I'd hate to have to start killing accounts en masse and banning the original accounts.

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Re: New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.
« Reply #134 from previous page: November 30, 2009, 03:52:43 PM »
are you still in control then wayne? or am i still banned from using my "hey yo!" catchphrase!