Modern Amiga Gaming (Don't think so!)

[kd7ota]

@lempkee

Amen!

[Rodney]

Magic-Merl wrote:
There is a new system coming along which we all believe is going to be the next big thing.  Lets face it, thats why we are all here.

Ummm, i believe everyone is here becaues they enjoy AmigaOS, not because its going to be the "next big thing". The only reason people want it to be is so the platform is more secure. But people use it because they like it, not because its goign to be the next big thing...

If thats the reason you'r using AmigaOS or are sticking around, then it must be very painful for you.

[Glaucus]

I hate to say this, but Magic's right to question the poor state of Amiga gaming. The most exciting games to hit the Amiga scene are old PC games, some so old that their source has been released to the public domain (hense the Amiga port).

It would be nice to see more high-end and modern  Amiga games, but I'm not holding my breath. There's obviously no market for it, Windows owns the the home PC games market and with good reason.

Personally, I think the Amiga has no chance at competing with the big first person shooters that dominate the PC market. It would be nice to see modern remakes of some of the old classic shoot-em ups. Of course this won't take the Amiga games market anywhere, but it would be nice to see these type of games make a comeback on the platform that really popularized them. You just don't see any good shoot-em ups anymore, especially not on the PC. And oh yes, they all need to have a real industrial feel to them, Psygnosis games come to mind!  ;-)

  - Mike

[bloodline]

amigamad wrote:

- I think anyone considering buying would go for the game with the better visuals.

Dont be daft if it looks good but is crap to play then it is a waste of money gameplay is more important than graphics on any system .

And why did we all buy Shadow of the beast :-)


The point I think Magic might be hinting at, is that when we were 10 years old, we all went into the computer shop and saw the Amiga with it beautiful graphics and said, Mummy/daddy, I want one of those...

We won't be getting that with the current crop of games that are being ported.

[kevh100]

Any avid gameplayer will know that looks aren't a measure of a games quality.  My mum still plays some of my old Amstrad games because she loves the gameplay!

The current Amiga gaming market is only really known to those who are still in the Amiga scene. To even get any people outside of this to take note we need to get the games noticed. Maybe if a game really does have fantastic gameplay then reviews and word of mouth may interest people. But initially, to get people to look, then i do beleive that the game has to look good.

Most gamers today expect good graphics, so would not even consider spending money on something that doesnt fully use the features on their new fancy GeeWhoosh FX Ultra video card.

Computer magazines and the games boxes always seem to pick the most visually stunning bit of the game. Infrequent games buyers, smaller children and parents wouldn't bother to find and read reviews or play demos.

We all know that its a stupid way to judge a game but i'd bet money on the fact thats how a large percentage of the games market buy games.

I'd also bet that a lot of people have bought at least one game purely on looks. Who here bought Rise of the Robots?

[chris]

Glaucus wrote:
Personally, I think the Amiga has no chance at competing with the big first person shooters that dominate the PC market. It would be nice to see modern remakes of some of the old classic shoot-em ups. Of course this won't take the Amiga games market anywhere, but it would be nice to see these type of games make a comeback on the platform that really popularized them. You just don't see any good shoot-em ups anymore, especially not on the PC. And oh yes, they all need to have a real industrial feel to them, Psygnosis games come to mind!  ;-)

Agreed.  I haven't seen any new commercial 2D shoot-'em-ups on PCs for absolutely ages - and when they did exist, the scrolling was crap compared to the Amiga version  :-)  PC games concentrate too much on first person shooters (which I hate), and everything has to be 3D.  Why does everything have to be 3D?  We are missing all the little fun games like 2D shoot-'em-ups, platform games, overhead racing games.  It seems that if it's not 3D, it doesn't get released, simply because it's not 3D, not because the game isn't good.  People want 3D... or the programmers want people to have 3D.

I'm not saying 3D is a bad thing, just that there is room for 2D and 3D games to co-exist, and games aren't bad because they are 2D, in fact they can be more fun (I can name more fun 2D Amiga games than 3D PC games).  And fun is good, isn't it?

Chris

[Amiga1200PPC]

EliteII :-(

[chris]

kevh100 wrote:
Any avid gameplayer will know that looks aren't a measure of a games quality.  My mum still plays some of my old Amstrad games because she loves the gameplay!

It struck me a few days ago, that the artwork on some Amiga games is fantastic and far better than anything I have seen recently.  The WormsDC loading screens (including the "on fire" T17 logo), the pinball tables in Slam Tilt are just two examples.  Nobody seems to concentrate on static artwork any more, it has to be moving, or rendered on the fly in 3D.   Most 2D games look visually more stunning than 3D games, because the artist can take care over the fine details, rather than leaving it to a GPU to render in real time.

Chris
(oh, and I bought ROTR - for a pound!)

[bloodline]

chris wrote:

Glaucus wrote:
Personally, I think the Amiga has no chance at competing with the big first person shooters that dominate the PC market. It would be nice to see modern remakes of some of the old classic shoot-em ups. Of course this won't take the Amiga games market anywhere, but it would be nice to see these type of games make a comeback on the platform that really popularized them. You just don't see any good shoot-em ups anymore, especially not on the PC. And oh yes, they all need to have a real industrial feel to them, Psygnosis games come to mind!  ;-)

Agreed.  I haven't seen any new commercial 2D shoot-'em-ups on PCs for absolutely ages - and when they did exist, the scrolling was crap compared to the Amiga version  :-)  PC games concentrate too much on first person shooters (which I hate), and everything has to be 3D.  Why does everything have to be 3D?  We are missing all the little fun games like 2D shoot-'em-ups, platform games, overhead racing games.  It seems that if it's not 3D, it doesn't get released, simply because it's not 3D, not because the game isn't good.  People want 3D... or the programmers want people to have 3D.

I'm not saying 3D is a bad thing, just that there is room for 2D and 3D games to co-exist, and games aren't bad because they are 2D, in fact they can be more fun (I can name more fun 2D Amiga games than 3D PC games).  And fun is good, isn't it?

Chris

Most, if not all, of my favourite games are 2D ones. They happen to be the ones I grew up with.

But there is no palce in the market for 2D games anymore, just as there is no place in the market for Text adventures.

Times, they move on...

[chris]

But there is no palce in the market for 2D games anymore, just as there is no place in the market for Text adventures.

There is a place in the market for them, the problem is that nobody is making them.

Chris

[bloodline]

Most 2D games look visually more stunning than 3D games

I was thinking about that very point 4 days ago... While playing Shadow of the Beast 3. I was thinking these graphics look so good, I love all the little touches, and then It struck me that 3D games are now at the same stage 2D games were in 1983...

That is to say, they will get better... we just have to wait for another 1985 ;-)

[bloodline]

chris wrote:

But there is no palce in the market for 2D games anymore, just as there is no place in the market for Text adventures.

There is a place in the market for them, the problem is that nobody is making them.

Chris

Without saying, "you are wrong", please think carefully about it, seriously do you think that kids would buy a 2D game now?

It's the same thing that has happned before, people wanted 2D games over text adventures, and then the Amiga gave us loads of colours and smooth scrolling and excelent music... no one wanted Manic Miner any more....

Technology, it moves on....

[lempkee]

chris: stop this , and check TALES OF TAMAR , ots weird that people like to comment without even bothering to check a link

tamar must be one of the best looking games i have ever seen and guess what...its not a 3d game.


anyway i agree that slamtilt is one of the best looking games ever and one of the best playable games ever, but there is many more that looks and plays great, tzero is one...nightlong is another one, tales of tamar , crossfire 2 (cf2 has a few minor issues in the gfx that drags it down abit).

and only one of thoose games is a pc port....
and most of all tales of tamar is an amiga title that is going pc etc, we all know that feeling eh?, go and check it out!

[Minion]

restore2003 wrote:
it IS possible to produce games near the quality of ps2 or pc games, but it is a huge task making it possible,

Disagree there.  Amiga type hardware and PC type hardware arre so far apart now that you just dont have the kind of power to use the detail possible on modern PC games.
Which ever way you look at it, the Middle of the road X86 processors are a lot faster than the faastest chips available for the Amiga, adn yes I know that you can stick a modern graphics card in one, but its pointless as the processor isn't fast enough.  My PC has the same porblem.  Radeon 9800 Pro using only a 1 GHz P3.  To give you an idea how restrictive it is, I onle got about 7000 3dmarks on 3d mark 2001

[Paul_Gadd]

To much talk of tales of tamar and no links to download a demo (for windows).

[CU_AMiGA]

Wasn't Worms Armageddon supposed to be ported to Amiga? Whatever happened to it? I wonna kill some worms! Well it ain't that bad, i have Worms DC!

I think that the current Amiga gaming market is bad, almost like the Amiga has been on a life support machine for the past century. But hail to the "bedroom programmers"! Who have given us the likes of Quake, Doom, Heretic 2, Wipeout 2097, etc. At least maybe we have some hope in the future.