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Offline efrenmgp

Market research for new PowerPC system
« on: September 24, 2009, 12:07:42 AM »
Greek company Codex has intentions of bringing new PowerPC-based hardware to the market. Eventually they could even fund AmigaOS and MorphOS support for it.

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 02:16:28 AM »
Awesome, more overpriced and underpowered (though apparently less so than the SAM) hardware to segment the already small market.

I guess it's a hobby.
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 06:16:37 AM »
Greeks do it better.

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 06:41:03 AM »
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Awesome, more overpriced and underpowered (though apparently less so than the SAM) hardware to segment the already small market.

I guess it's a hobby.

Having new hardware from someone willing to help fund the porting of AmigaOS4.x & MorphOS2.x to it is hardly segmenting the market further, unless you feel that we should ONLY be purchasing SAM and used MacMini computers in the near future to run those OSes on?
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 08:35:56 AM »
Sent my e-mail :D
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 10:45:15 AM »
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Having new hardware from someone willing to help fund the porting of AmigaOS4.x & MorphOS2.x to it is hardly segmenting the market further, unless you feel that we should ONLY be purchasing SAM and used MacMini computers in the near future to run those OSes on?


If there were fewer hardware configurations to support, more development and support could be put towards a single system, more units could sell, and prices could become more reasonable (dreaming, I know.)  How about the guys that just bought a SAM thinking it was "the new Amiga?"  Then suddenly a fancier new system comes out and everyone wants to switch to that, killing the other boards' sales.  As for MacMini, that seems to not be happening at all for AmigaOS, possibly due to lack of time on developers' parts, when really it would've been the most logical choice of hardware due to availability and price.

It really is lucky this is only a hobby platform.
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 12:17:45 PM »
Well, i don't think this is a bad idea, but the project shoud be able to handle PCIe video cards, PLUS not have the CPU embedded, being able to be replaced for a more powerful one by the user. To be able to fit a 2ghz dual G4 would provide a more than enough power for all our needs... combined with an efficient video card of course. Specially since G4 Mac Mini, has poor video capabilities and and sort of a short CPU computing power.

However i don't know if after MOS is ported to the macmini G4, the team will head over the rest of the Apple's G4 architectures... If so, i wonder if a new board having same capabilities than these discontinued systems could compete under pricing terms.
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Offline sim085

Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 12:42:22 PM »
Can the PPC architecture ever become better then the x86-64 architecture? If not, then why spend money on it. I would rather spend money so that software currently working on PPC gets ported to the x86-64 architecture then the other way round.
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 12:46:17 PM »
It's real shame there is no affordable PPC hardware old or new for Amigas. There just isn't the popularity to make them available to all at the right price (usually made to order which doesn't help matters).
 

Offline persia

Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 01:58:21 PM »
Oh wow, Codex must have a serious death wish or cash to launder, nobody gets into PPC development these days without at least one...

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Greek company Codex has intentions of bringing new PowerPC-based hardware to the market. Eventually they could even fund AmigaOS and MorphOS support for it.

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Offline dammy

Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 03:22:28 PM »
Lovely, more vaporware.
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Offline SamuraiCrow

Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 03:58:10 PM »
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Can the PPC architecture ever become better then the x86-64 architecture? If not, then why spend money on it. I would rather spend money so that software currently working on PPC gets ported to the x86-64 architecture then the other way round.

x86-64 is faster but generates nearly as much heat as the PPC.  PPC doesn't have the financial backing to develop modern memory bus architectures so it will not improve enough to be better.  Also, the density of the code written for PPC is not as good as a CISC architecture and therefore doesn't make as efficient use of the cache.

Personally, I think the ARM is a better choice for new software than x86_64.  Better still, write software in LLVM so it will work on just about anything that supports the Blocks runtime.
 

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 04:13:19 PM »
I just want to echo SamuraiCrow's comments... anybody designing a desktop system not using an x86-64 based architecture is throwing money into a black pit of nothingness... PPC is dead dead dead... forget about it.

If I was to start a project now... I would probably use an ARM chip, the new Cortex designs are nice and fast and are really low power... but only if I was targeting something more specific than a desktop...

Offline jorkany

Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 05:15:59 PM »
I was just thinking today, "There's such a huge demand for PPC-based hardware that needs to be fulfilled".
 

Offline Golem!dk

Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 05:59:08 PM »
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I was just thinking today, "There's such a huge demand for PPC-based hardware that needs to be fulfilled".

I hear there's medication for that now.
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