Sputnik for AmigaOS bounty cancelled

[Golem!dk]

@weirdami

Have a look here.

[Troels_E]

I know that simply because Marcin told me he read it then. Marcin wrote that to me in the last email I got from him.

[Matt_H]

Two months for a beta? Two months is lightspeed in Amiga Time. If the user masses can't put up with that, that's their problem.

Now everyone's going to have to wait a month to get their cash back anyway, so why would it have been so intolerable to wait two and see if something tangible appears? Could have saved (or at least postponed) a lot of aggravation.

[takemehomegrandma]

Wow, this was extremely ugly. Kicking the legs away after several months of dedicated work, time that could have been spent better working on the MorphOS version. Well, now we know that one should *never* commit to an OS4 bounty, especially not for big and complicated projects with an uncertain time frame.

This is beyond low.

 :-(

[Troels_E]

@Takemehomegrandma

Kicking legs away after broken deadlines. I know nothing of dedicated work, Marcin should have told me.

I know Marcin said it compiled but didn't run yet but he was never able to show me anything at all. Regarding the complexity.. It is a port from an Amiga like system and as such shouldn't be to hard apart from the MUI4 dependencies, so I really don't know how much work was done so far.

Time frame was not uncertain. Deadlines was agreed upon and there was even a written contract for the hardware which also included a deadline that's been broken.

[reflect]

@TMHG

Your response makes me wonder if you even read the summary provided here, http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/231797.html - I think it states quite clearly why it was decided to be withdrawn, and I see nothing wrong in why it was done either.

I don't think it was ugly, or that it should cast any kind of shadow on any future bounty for that matter. I think this all comes down to poor communication from Marcin's side, and for the amount of money I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some kind of working communication. It's OK to not be around, and delays are too. But when it happens, it needs to be communicated..

[mihcael]

@reflect
I was going to say the same thing!

I know that if someone had 3000 euro that i wanted to be mine, i would reply to each and every email!  :-)

[weirdami]

there was even a written contract for the hardware which also included a deadline that's been broken.

he was supposed to create some hardware or did he get some free hardware that now needs to be returned?

[takemehomegrandma]

Your first problem was that you even enforce deadlines for a project like this in the first place. You can put a deadline on simple and more trivial things like SDL ports, but developing a native web browser!? Maybe it was foolish of Marcin to accept those terms at all in the first place, but it was done under heavy preassure and a lot of nagging as far as I remember. You would have gained so much by letting the deadline slip, but I think most people that follows the online discussions knows and understands the reason why you didn't. Anyway, I see a lot of people cheering at this decision (which only shows how short sighted and ignorant some people really are), but you have let down a great number of people/contributors hoping for a *native* OS4 browser, you have kicked the legs on a developer of a great OS4 project and rendered all his work worthless, and you have clearly showed that OS4 bounties *can* be completely worthless. Anyway, not my loss, not in any way. *You* are the long term losers of this, and you seems to be totally happy with an SDL browser anyway. BTW, what is the deadline for the Amiga Mozilla bounty?

[takemehomegrandma]

he was supposed to create some hardware or did he get some free hardware that now needs to be returned?

I sure hopes he sends back the hardware fast as hell, and I'm sure he will. OS4 hardware is utterly worthless to him now...

[weirdami]

hey, it's blue trolling rearing it's ugly head again.  :roll:

[takemehomegrandma]

hey, it's blue trolling rearing it's ugly head again.

What's your problem? It hurts when I'm right?

[itix]

@mihcael

I know that if someone had 3000 euro that i wanted to be mine, i would reply to each and every email!

3000 euros for a job where you have to port source code to alien platform you know nothing about and does not have all functionality. And that you have to go with your studies and have time for your girlfriend... the money does not give you quality time.

[AmiKit]

Troels,

as an organizer and manager of the Sputnik bounty project you don't need to advocate or defend your decision here or anywhere else. The right to make the decision was fully yours as it was you who put the energy and reputation into the project. You don't need to explain the details of your decision to anybody. Do NOT let anyone tell you something different or make you feel guilty!

In my opinion your decision was right and logical result of several deadline breaches and lack of communication from the bounty hunter. Cancellation of the bounty was a rational decision and every good manager would do the same (if not sooner).

Good luck with future bounties.

[mongo]

as an organizer and manager of the Sputnik bounty project you don't need to advocate or defend your decision here or anywhere else. The right to make the decision (without any need to explain the details) was fully yours as it was you who put the energy and reputation into the project

I can't help but think that the people who actually put their money into the project should have been asked what they wanted done, and this doesn't seem to have happened.

[AmiKit]

@mongo
They still have time to decide till the end of the January 2009.
I agree that those who don't do that in time should be contacted individually or simply refunded without asking.