Author of AmiKit to appear for Q&A

[Opus]

The creator of AmiKit, if you don't know what it is, you gotta check it out!, will be appearing for a Q&A on May 27th.  Join us at efnet.net #Amiga and have a chance to submit your ideas and ask questions regarding AmiKit package.  Hope to see you there!  

Time : CEST 20:00 which is 6pm GMT
check here or at efnet.net #amiga for more details.

[CaptChaos]

I installed workbench on my amiga too, does that make me an author and a programmer?

[motorollin]

Did you also write a script which could recreate a heavily customised environment from a distribution which does not contain any system files, and which incorporates those system files from the end user's Workbench disks/ADFs? No? Then you're a user, not an author a programmer.

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moto

[Argo]

Okay, how's creator? Technically, he authored a collection.

[motorollin]

Does it really matter?

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moto

[CaptChaos]

It matters when people go around taking credit for other peoples work and when people make money from other peoples work. Meanwhile people who actually do contribute to the community by programming "actual software" get nothing.

Sure AmiKit is nice, but it is hardly anything except a compilation of other peoples software and patches.

And by the way I have written scripts and batch files in the past and that does not make me a programmer.

[motorollin]

The author of AmiKit doesn't take credit for anybody else's work. There is a credits section on his web site where it thanks the people who wrote the software included in it. Also, there's a bit of a difference between a batch file and something which incorporates a bare OS with a configured system which does not contain those OS files.

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moto

[swift240]

it will be said next that he dont deserve any kind of recognition for doing some thing that other`s havent done, in the sence of Amikit.

I take my hat off to him, its a great piece of work.
At least some one made a good attempt of some thing like Amikit  I cant see that any one else has bothered.

[uncharted]

It matters when people go around taking credit for other peoples work and when people make money from other peoples work. Meanwhile people who actually do contribute to the community by programming "actual software" get nothing.

Really?  http://amikit.amiga.sk/credits.htm seems to say otherwise.  And AmiKit is FREE.

Sure AmiKit is nice, but it is hardly anything except a compilation of other peoples software and patches.

Yes, I'm sure that something as complex as this just magically maerializes from thin air.  Absolutely no work involved whatsoever :roll:

And by the way I have written scripts and batch files in the past and that does not make me a programmer.

Have you made them available to the public?  If you have then perhaps you could give me a pointer to them so I can take a look and see how they stack up.

[CaptChaos]

Also, there's a bit of a difference between a batch file and something which incorporates a bare OS with a configured system which does not contain those OS files.

And there is a big difference to writing a script file to programming an actual piece of software. Which is the point I was making when the original news post claimed this person programmed amikit.

it will be said next that he dont deserve any kind of recognition for doing some thing that other`s havent done, in the sence of Amikit.

Others have done it too, amigasys for example or classicwb.

I take my hat off to him, its a great piece of work.

I agree, it's a nice compilation and pre-configued high end wb setup.

At least some one made a good attempt of some thing like Amikit I cant see that any one else has bothered.

Others have bothered, see above.

Really? http://amikit.amiga.sk/credits.htm seems to say otherwise.

When you go calling this person the programmer or author you are creating the misconception this person created all the cool stuff he has compiled.

And AmiKit is FREE.

That doesn't change the fact that amikit generates money for the "compiler/creator" through AmigaForever kickbacks.

Yes, I'm sure that something as complex as this just magically maerializes from thin air. Absolutely no work involved whatsoever.

I'm sure compiling the software, installing and configuring it took time and effort but that was not the point I was trying to make with my off the cuff smart arse remark.

Have you made them available to the public? If you have then perhaps you could give me a pointer to them so I can take a look and see how they stack up.

The latest project only to close friends and fellow cdtv owners, I will not discuss the details as this website frowns on legally questionable compilations such as mine, but rest assured I am not making a cent off anyone else's hard work. And since when does being able to make something equal or better only give you the right to discuss a particular piece of software or compilation? How many people {bleep} and moan about windows for example but have not produced anything better?

[uncharted]

When you go calling this person the programmer or author you are creating the misconception this person created all the cool stuff he has compiled.

You'd have to be pretty damn stupid to think that.  Seeing as the truth is there in black and white on the site.  Considering that most of the programs invloved are very well known within the community.  Considering that all the programs have their own copyright/author info.

In fact you'd have to be pretty {bleep}ing thick.

I'm sure compiling the software, installing and configuring it took time and effort but that was not the point I was trying to make with my off the cuff smart arse remark.

Then what was the point?

The latest project only to close friends and fellow cdtv owners, I will not discuss the details as this website frowns on legally questionable compilations such as mine,

Dog ate my homework.

but rest assured I am not making a cent off anyone else's hard work.

So you're ripping someone off, but not profiting from it?  How noble.

And since when does being able to make something equal or better only give you the right to discuss a particular piece of software or compilation?

When the person claims to be able to do the same.

How many people {bleep} and moan about windows for example but have not produced anything better?

How many people claim that creating windows is a piece of piss?

[jj]

come on people play nice.  Ok he didnt program amikit as such.  The title of this news might be slightly misleading but only if your a pedant. I for one think its a well done installation that must have taken a lot of work to create as well as  working with the authors of the different software used.  A lot of the software has been adpated by the authors just for Amikit.

[AmigaEd]

@CaptChaos

And there is a big difference to writing a script file to programming an actual piece of software. Which is the point I was making when the original news post claimed this person programmed amikit.

Hmmm... Have you taken time to look at some of the better scripting languages that are available? I would argue that many of the better ones are quite richly featured, capable of being used for generating very useful utilities and applications and require programming skills on par with other programming languages.

Amiga historically has made excellent use of AREXX, where do those programmers that created lots of useful scripts fit into your view of the world?

Sure people could have gone out and scrounged around the net and found the different apps contained in Amikit here and there. Then suffer as they struggle to make the apps work together.

How much recognition would the authors of the programs packaged in Amikit get if no one ever saw their work? Many people would not be bothered  to scrounge for some niche software or antiquated software.

I have found several programs packed in the Amikit distribution which I enjoy using very much. Had they not been contained in Amikit I most likely would not have known about them or sought them out.

The Amikit guy has done a nice job putting together all of the apps into one nice package. He is deserving of credit for at least that effort.

The guy put something together and made it available... that is a rarity in the Amiga community!  :idea:

(The guys that have also done the other distros like Amigasys, AIAB, etc. deserve credit for their efforts as well.)

Regards,
AmigaEd

[hooligan]

@CaptChaos

Amikit is a wonderfull package. I have also recommended it to friends of mine and have had nothing but good feedback about it.

[ptek]

And there is a big difference to writing a script file to programming an actual piece of software. Which is the point I was making when the original news post claimed this person programmed amikit.

CaptChaos, where does it says that the author or Amikit have programmed it? As far I understood, it was you that used the word "programmer".

"author" does not necesserly means "programmer" as you know.