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Offline Troika

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2006, 04:31:06 PM »
@ Piru
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component placement and routing are definitely from wrong era.. http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/133116.shtml
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Piru, you are much wiser then to use sources from Moo bunny.

Havn't you noticed the real problem?  Even with the missing parts Amy'05 is a very very "clean" design.  We worked very hard for that.

I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it.  Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.



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Offline humppa

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2006, 05:01:13 PM »
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I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it. Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.


Does the following schedule look realistic?

BB3/2005
Announced: Presentation of pre-production Amy'05
Reality: Nothing

BB4/2006
Announced: Presentation of Amy'05 prototype, later changed to "non-working prototype"
Reality: An empty booth

BB5/2007
Announced: Presentation of a working Amy'05 prototype
Reality: Presentation of a non-working prototype

BB6/2008
Announced: Presentation of a working Amy'05 prototype with an OS4-license
Reality: Presentation of a half-working Amy'05 prototype that crashes at clockspeeds >500Mhz due to bad routing, no OS4-license yet

November 2008:
Announcement that Troika didn't manage to get an OS4-license and gave up on Amy due to lack of funding.
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2006, 05:27:16 PM »
@Mr Anonymous (Troika)

Troika, you are much wiser than to think I'd use Moo bunny as source.

I am not using Moobunny as source, but Joanna Kurki, who has actually worked on PPC systems for years and knows the HW design stuff (unlike me). If she says it's FUBAR, then it is.

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I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it.

Don't worry, I won't be giving any $$ to you guys.

Regardless I reserve the right to comment and criticise.

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Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.

Just make sure you let us know when you have demoed it.
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2006, 05:40:09 PM »
Wow, what a friendly athmosphere!
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Offline platon42

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2006, 05:46:48 PM »
> Even with the missing parts Amy'05 is a very very "clean" design.

Heh, I just couldn't resist laughing over this one. Made my day. Who are you trying to fool? And why? But don't refrain to prove me wrong. Time will tell (as usually).

Edit: Honestly, if you really want to see this board working at some stage, get an enginner that has at least the faintest idea about HF routing. Those rectangular traces are not going to work. Do you really think there's no reason for diagonal and even curved traces on high-speed designs? Since 20 years nobody has being using rectangular traces anywhere. No, I'm not a professional in this area, but even I know this and have used this knowledge for my own designs (don't worry, no motherboards ;-P ).
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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2006, 06:53:03 PM »
I wouldn't take seriously anything said on moo bunny. it seems many people there are simply sad and bitter.

personally, I won't become interested in your motherboards UNTIL I can hold it in my hands and then see it running OS4 (or any amiga OS, really)

until then, just do what you have to do. It's your business. not mine.

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and what happens on moo bunny is a lot of whining and complaining. they THINK they are being "realistic", but they really are just being negative and unpleasant. That's not a good atmosphere for creativity. an example of positive creativity

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 component placement and routing are definitely from wrong era.. http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/133116.shtml  


Piru, you are much wiser then to use sources from Moo bunny.    

Havn't you noticed the real problem? Even with the missing parts Amy'05 is a very very "clean" design. We worked very hard for that.    

I don't wish to be rude, but if you don't like the design of the motherboard, you can vote with your $$ and not buy it. Otherwise when we demo Amy'05 working we hope you will have an open mind at that point.
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Offline Etho

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2006, 07:50:05 PM »
Piru

Whats your problem?

At least someone Is trying to do something.

A brief stint I had at BICC showed me that evaluation and prototype boards don't look like {bleep} that's ready for for anyone(even industrial customers!). We knocked out boards for industry that wouldn't getpast  your absolute scrutiny!!!!
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2006, 08:11:25 PM »
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Whats your problem?

I don't suffer fools lightly?
 

Offline Etho

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2006, 08:28:15 PM »
Neither do I!

I have however always given people a fair go! I'm not about to discredit a design just because certain people think  that it looks unfinished and incomplete.

As I said {bleep} get's turned out all the time by BIG companys.

This isn't a pop at the board it's simply how things work!

Trokia have time to refine and update the board, the OS4 people have waited long enough for this to be updated  and streamlimed (myself included). So I'm happy to wait a little longer if things can get resolved (fingers crossed).
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2006, 08:34:42 PM »
Well, Troika has been working on this thing for years now. If they can't even produce a working early protos then something is seriously wrong, and they should reconsider the whole motherboard business.

At least Troika should stop this bs marketing and outright lying ("HW is in production" etc). Just show the darned thing running some OS and everyone is happy for couple of years again.

And what's up with this anonymity thing? Surely if you want to be taken seriously you should use your own names.
 

Offline c64_d0c

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2006, 08:38:40 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :lol:
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Offline Etho

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2006, 08:42:54 PM »
As I said I like to give peoplea a chance.

Trokia are hardly a multi-million £ company, things will take time.

That's simply the way things are,it's that simple.
 
Why keep grilling and hard-boiling them ? They'll get there when there ready! That simple!

The fact is they've got further than most.
 

Offline dammy

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2006, 08:55:12 PM »
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Trokia are hardly a multi-million £ company, things will take time. Alas Thats the simple truth, so why keep hard-balling them?


Because people do not like being lied to?  Project dates slip all the time, it's a matter of fact in the IT business.  People accept that, but this has been dragging on for years with it's path littered with broken promises and more then likely, pure bold face lies.

On the bright side, with OS5 x86, does this really matter anymore for the true Amiga believers?

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Offline humppa

Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2006, 08:58:23 PM »
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And what's up with this anonymity thing? Surely if you want to be taken seriously you should use your own names.


If they plan to get a decent job at any time in the future, they should better remain anonymous, since it should be rather embarrassing if a potential future employer finds their names along with the whole Amy-story and failure (missed deadlines, non-working amateur hardware) on the internet.
 

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Re: Amy'05 Pics by Troika
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2006, 09:00:35 PM »
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Why keep grilling and hard-boiling them ?

Because they've not lived up to their word.

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They'll get there when there ready!

Good. Now, if they would only wait themselves until they're there. But I don't see that coming. We'll see tons of more press releases about press releases, missed presentation deadlines and stuff.

But, I guess it's kind of pointless to expect professionalistm these days.