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Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« on: January 10, 2006, 02:17:28 AM »
ICTV's HeadendWare for digital television content delivery announces team up with Amiga's AmigaAnywhere content delivery system, based on Tao Group's intEnt platform.

See linked article.

Press Release @ Amiga.com
Press Release @ ICTV.com
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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2006, 04:18:33 AM »
ICTV main competitors are Worldgate and Microsoft WebTV. ICTV is famous for selling Pizzas.
Their partners are Amino (2004), Flying Rhinoceros (On The Farm).

What happen if a Taiwanese Juice company succesfully sell Pegasos II based STB and ICTV ask Amiga Inc to port AmigaAnywhere to the STB?

From News.com:

ICTV differentiates itself from its competitors by putting most of the computing power in the central office, or the head end, of the cable network. With ICTV, the set-top box merely decodes the images sent over the cable network. Even the individual keystrokes are sent over the network to the Intel-based computers for processing. Using this approach, ICTV asserts that it can offer better Internet compatibility--such as being able to run plug-ins--than most of the advanced set-top boxes because its computers use Intel chips. ICTV also claims it can offer a lower cost because its system can run on relatively modest cable boxes. Unlike some other interactive TV software, ICTV's system does not alter the graphics of Web sites. ICTV senior vice president Michael Collette acknowledges that this approach means some Web pages look rather poor given the lower resolution of a television, compared with a computer. However, he anticipates portals and other Web sites will want to create TV-specific content once there is a significant market. Collette estimates that the cost of installing a simple system, which offers email and basic interactive services such as instant access to local news and weather, costs cable companies $25 to $35 per subscriber. A more powerful system allowing for full Web surfing costs in the range of $75 to $100 per subscriber, but Collette said it should generate $20 to $30 per subscriber per month in revenue from monthly fees, advertising and e-commerce commissions.
 

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2006, 05:31:05 AM »
Hmmm... I think the following quote maybe more insightful about the future of Amiga OS and hardware than any of Nostradamus' predictions.

"AmigaAnywhere(TM) enables applications to
run on a broad range of processors including ARM, StrongARM, Intel X-Scale,
OMAP, MIPS, x86, and Hitachi SH series and to run hosted on a wide variety of
operating systems including Linux, Windows CE .NET, Windows 2000, and Windows
XP. AmigaAnywhere(TM) applications are available online at"

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2006, 08:34:59 AM »
@asian1

That sounds similar to how Homechoice works.  In fact, Homechoice uses - or at least trialled - HeadendWare according to this press release.

Most platforms won't be using it though (probably due to the requirement for two-way communication, effectively restricting it to cable-based services) - and the DVB standard MHP (used for most new European digital TV services) is Java-based so intent/AA won't be of much use there - so I doubt Amiga's partnership will have much impact.

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2006, 11:38:38 AM »
> 2 Way

What about Wimax, IBlast or other 2 ways lines?

http://www.iblast.com

There is a US government plan to provide 10 millions subsidized digital MOTOROLA STB for poor people who cann't afford the new Digital TV. The subsidy will be approx. US$ 670 Millions in 2007.

http://www.njtelecomupdate.com/lenya/telco/live/tb-DDPS1129850712651.html

"In addition to the $3 billion for converter boxes, the special communications fund would pay for: $200 million for a program to convert low-power television stations to digital; $1.25 billion for emergency communications (of which $250 million would be devoted to a national alert system, including $50 million for a tsunami warning system); $250 million for a program to implement emergency 911 calling; and $200 million for a program to provide assistance to coastal states and Indian tribes affected by natural disasters."

"But McCain – who chaired the Commerce panel until being forced to step down late last year due to GOP term limit rules -- disputed Stevens' contention that set-top boxes would be unduly costly in 2007. He cited testimony before the committee from Motorola and chip-manufacturer Zoran that such converter boxes could be available for less than $67 in time for a 2007 transition date."
 

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2006, 01:52:39 PM »
>There is a US government plan to provide 10
>millions subsidized digital MOTOROLA STB for
>poor people who cann't afford the new Digital TV.
>The subsidy will be approx. US$ 4 Billions.

Fascinating. If those numbers are correct, you might want to start looking for whose pockets get lined with gold there....

Granted, the US has once again decided to be different from the rest of the world in its digital TV system, but US$400 per box, at a volume of 10,000,000, seems rather excessive --- given that in Australia, standard definition digital free to air TV set top boxes recently were sold for as little as A$50 (about US$40) in single quantity at a supermarket.

[EDIT: Turns out the number originally quoted by the previous poster was in error, and the real number is smaller. Still too big, though --- US$300 and US$67 are both way too much at a volume of 10,000,000 still].
 

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2006, 03:13:36 PM »
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There is a US government plan to provide 10 millions subsidized digital MOTOROLA STB for poor people who cann't afford the new Digital TV. The subsidy will be approx. US$ 670 Millions in 2007.


US broadcast (H)DTV is ATSC and one-way.

Set-top boxes have been rare and expensive because of low demand, but Radio Shack recently had one on clearance for $89 or so.  The secondary problem is that the ATSC broadcasts do occupy separate channel assignments with separate transmitters, and most broadcasters have yet to crank up the output power on those because, dur, there aren't any viewers.  Here in the Connecticut 'suburbs' of NYC, I get two major networks plus UPN and PBS, while analog pulls in at least 20 channels, some of which might even be sitting on the NY stations' -DT assignments.

Upshot is that ATSC does seem to work really well in nasty spots for analog (due to multipath, etc), and when it works it's crystal-clear; I can get two of those stations in a valley town up north where analog's unviewable.  The five other people who still watch broadcast (rather than getting their broadcast networks from satellite or cable) are probably going to get shiny new flat-panels soon, and those are finally starting to include ATSC tuners, which should drive demand.

[I'm also starting to think the decision to allow multiple SD subchannels was smart, even as it gave a 'free pass' to the major players -- they certainly don't have content to fill them with, so let them maintain the transmitters and infrastructure and sell their extra capacity to smaller, potentially independent fish.]

@umisef, is Australia's system 'off-air' or DVB satellite?
 

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2006, 04:56:37 PM »
Just noticed the following link at amiga-news.de: :-)

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/125686.shtml
 

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2006, 10:17:03 PM »
>is Australia's system 'off-air' or DVB satellite?

It's DVB-T, which means terrestrial transmitters (and oldfashioned rooftop antennas to receive it). It's also the same basic system as used in most of the rest of the world which has made serious moves to digital (namely Europe), although in their infinite wisdom, the powers that be decided that not only should Australia stick to its unusual 7MHz channel width, but also it should stick to mainly using VHF channels over UHF (but not exclusively so), AND it should mandate the use of audio encoding which was different from that prescribed anywhere else (MP2 vs the dolby stuff, IIRC. Not sure which way around).

These days, set top box manufacturers have a handle on that, and all the chipsets seem to provide a superset of everyone's specs, so that the same box can work in any DVB-T area. When digital was new, and most everyone considered Australia to be too small a market to make modifications to their products for, things were quite frustrating (it took literally years for the first Oz-capable PCI receiver card to become available :( )
 

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2006, 11:24:31 AM »
chris wrote:
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Most platforms won't be using it though (probably due to the requirement for two-way communication, effectively restricting it to cable-based services) - and the DVB standard MHP (used for most new European digital TV services) is Java-based so intent/AA won't be of much use there - so I doubt Amiga's partnership will have much impact.


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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2006, 01:47:11 PM »
I don't get it.

There have been quite some things like this announced, but in the end nothing has happened. Everything is just like it was before something was announced. What happened with that NHL thing? What happened with the other things? Have anything but the "Jackpot!" game been released recently?

Have I missed out on something? Why can't I relate to the qoute "the world's premiere provider of multimedia content"?

How come Amiga Inc. just continues to exist, without actually seemingly doing anything that affects anything? Do the communicate with anyone of their former customers? Do they do anything at all?  Exactly what is Amiga Inc. today, and what do they do? There are some announcements, but nothing happens? Or maybe it does happen things, that it is just me not being aware of it? Or do they announce things and make them sound really much more important than they really are, when the announcements doesn't change a thing besides that the announcement itself is done and can feature some nice namedroppings? I don't understand anything. I must be stupid.

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2006, 05:37:53 PM »
It's ranting like the above that is in us all. Legerdemain, we know how you feel. ;)
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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2006, 10:02:08 AM »
@Tripitaka

Maybe.  Certainly you could use intent as the OS and run MHP on that, but that doesn't help AA, and nobody is likely to broadcast AA apps when MHP is tailored for TV and will work for more people.

Having said that, YooMedia are planning something similar for the UK, where they "data broadcast" services for running at a later date (a web search for YooMedia and Electra should pick it up), and you need a box running the Electra software.  So maybe it's not so far-fetched as I first thought.

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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2006, 11:58:34 AM »
@chris

I agree, stranger things have happened in the past but Amiga inc. don't have my confidence yet.
To be honest I see the convergence/STB market bridging over from the console market anyway, look at what the 360 and PS3 are aiming at. Would Joe average go and buy a console offering streamed footage for tv reception or an STB with proper games etc...??
I think maybe the names on the boxes will give us our final answers.
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Re: Amiga and ICTV - The Next Move
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2006, 12:55:50 PM »
There are at least 2 STB / Interactive TV partnership with Amiga Inc, but all failed. Will ICTV partnership follow the same path?

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/infomedia.html

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Feb. 23, 2002
Amiga Inc. today announced the pre-installation, for the Swedish market, of Amiga on the Nokia Mediaterminal. The Nokia Mediaterminal, an innovative "infotainment' device for the home, recently launched in Sweden, combines digital video broadcast (DVB), gaming, streaming and downloadable digital media, full Internet access, and personal video recorder (PVR) technology. A Linux-based version of the AmigaDE has been incorporated into the Nokia Mediaterminal.