GlowRevolution v2 RELEASED!

[SimoAmi]

They look nice. My only concern is the shadows!. They are very intense. I recommend soft shadows in the future, about 5% to 25% dark at max.

Thanks,

[Andre.Siegel]

I am sorry to say this, but the icon set includes stolen artwork. "Lorraine Design" has included graphics which they have no right to redistribute whatsoever. Not even credit was given.

I hope this behaviour will stop immediately.

[cYbo]

I am sorry to say this, but the icon set includes stolen artwork. "Lorraine Design" has included graphics which they have no right to redistribute whatsoever. Not even credit was given.

 :-? more info please..

[KennyR]

more info please

The MorphOS ramdisk icon, done by Ocinel:



And the one from the Lorraine Design package:



That, for instance.

[Andre.Siegel]

more info please..

I don't understand your question. As the creator of the icon collection,  you should know best what icons were done by yourself and which ones belong to other people/companies. Not me or anybody else.

Asking for hints by the readers of amiga.org which icons might be illegally included in your set, is a bit strange.

Unless there is a notice which says "freely distributable", you must always ask the copyright owner for permission if you want to redistribute their work. And if you do not know 100% if something is freely distributable or are too lazy to find out, DO NOT INCLUDE IT.

No offence, but what you did was just plain wrong.  Period.

[cYbo]

don't understand your question. As the creator of the icon collection, you should know best what icons were done by yourself and which ones belong to other people/companies. Not me or anybody else...

OK, It's my mistake. You are in right! But i must to say, "GlowRevolution" is NO COMMERCIAL projecet, this is an icon collection,  i don't use money, i just lost many hours making and retouching icons and all for free and for amiga community. On some icons i don't know for copyright. I repeat this is my mistake.

ps. I remove this icons from pack.

Best wishes

[mepmepmep]

@andre.siegel
On the other hand..
While you are correct about it beeing illegal/dubious using other peoples work. Then almost all icons describing commersial apps and games are also illegal, UNLESS authorization to do so has been given... So for example, any icons with the Procect X logos or spaceships or whatever should immediately be removed from any icon collection that has no rights to use them.

[Methuselas]

No offence, but what you did was just plain wrong. Period.

Gee, you must have been REALLY pissed about the Glow Icons CD from back in the day. :roll:

Who are YOU to criticize her for using the icon, unless YOU are the said artist?? If anything, you could have informed the artist about it, letting him/her speak on his own behalf or if you are, indeed the said artist, you could have quietly asked her to cease and desist, instead of openly bashing her on a public forum.

The fact remains that she did the community a favor by creating a PNG icon set, not for money, but because she wanted to do something FOR the community.

It's people like you that make me despise parts of the open-source community.

[Andre.Siegel]

Gee, you must have been REALLY pissed about the Glow Icons CD from back in the day.

Don't be silly. This is a totally different situation. Would you consider it okay if someone ripped all of Apple's MacOSX icons and did the Amiga community "a favour" by releasing them for free or maybe even on CDROM? Apple has all the rights in the world to not want this to happen. The beauty of MacOSX is one of its most attractive features. And since they are the copyright holders, they can do with those icons whatever they want.

If someone sits down and creates icons from scratch which look almost like MacOSX, that is a totally different situation. "Looking similar" is not illegal, using the original graphics without permission by its authors is.

If anything, you could have informed the artist about it, letting him/her speak on his own behalf or if you are, indeed the said artist, you could have quietly asked her to cease and desist, instead of openly bashing her on a public forum.

The icon pack included icons from more than one author which were redistributed without permission (and without giving credit). This was NOT just about one icon.

So, this clearly wasn't an "accident".

The fact remains that she did the community a favor by creating a PNG icon set, not for money, but because she wanted to do something FOR the community.

That is all great unless illegal activities are involved. Period.

It's people like you that make me despise parts of the open-source community.

What are you talking about? For your information, the OpenSource community is about freely distributable, non-protected work. I fail to understand what this has to do with the fact that cYbo's icon set included copyrighted artwork which is part of a commercial closed-source product.

Anyway, cYbo realized the mistake and removed the respective icons from the icon set. There is no need to discuss this matter any further.

[Methuselas]

Don't be silly. This is a totally different situation.

How is it different? The original designer of Glow Icons was Matt Chaput, who copyrighted it. The Glow Icons CD contained icons that were *NOT* created by Matt, but USED his icons as a base (as was done here)for a commercial product (which was *NOT* done here)!

Would you consider it okay if someone ripped all of Apple's MacOSX icons and did the Amiga community "a favour" by releasing them for free

ABSOLUTELY! The more the merrier. In fact, since you're on such a crusade, why don't you go after the other sets created that use icons from Be-OS and KDE?? Better yet, why not start an orginzation that's sole purpose is to PREVENT using PNG icons on the Amiga? Power Icons was ported to OS4.0, but glow icons are still the standard. Is THAT, too, a problem with you?

If someone sits down and creates icons from scratch which look almost like MacOSX, that is a totally different situation.

You're still missing the point. There are *NO* standard PNG icons for the classic Amiga. What she did is no different than the other icons sets made by other amiga users, except that you decided to take it out on her for 'using copyrighted material' when you said nothing about any of the others. People like PNG icons and they want to USE them. Like I said before, if you're the said artist, you have a right to speak your mind, otherwise shut your mouth!

"Looking similar" is not illegal

That is VERY true. MorphOS comes to mind.  :lol:

The icon pack included icons from more than one author which were redistributed without permission (and without giving credit). This was NOT just about one icon.

Stop acting like a martyr!!! :-? You know, you need to make a database from Aminet on *ALL* the icon sets there. You need alot more solidity in your crusade and I'm sure you'll find TONS of "pirated" icons to your liking. So she forgot to give credit. That's easily rectified by changing her info file.

Once again, we come back to her not trying to "steal" anyone's artwork for monetary gain, but to offer something USEFUL to the community.

So, this clearly wasn't an "accident".

No, it was an icon set. There was no malice or ill will, except what you've put there.  

That is all great unless illegal activities are involved. Period.

Unless you're implying that you attempt to seek legal action against her, which would be a WASTE of taxpayer's money, then there *IS* no illegal activity conducted. Wouldn't the said 'likeness' of MorphOS be classified as 'illegal'? I mean, after all, it *IS* a clone of the Amiga OS?

Why are you making a mountain of a molehill? :-o

I fail to understand what this has to do with the fact that cYbo's icon set included copyrighted artwork which is part of a commercial closed-source product.

I fail to understand why YOU are making such a big deal out of her using icons that didn't belong to her. I'm sure we'd find HUNDREDS of icons on your machines that YOU did not create.

You keep going on about how illegal this or that is and what not, but you keep ignoring the fact that she only made these, simply because SHE wanted a set of PNG icons for her Amiga. She liked them enough, that she 'released' them, many of her own design, in a *FREE* package, so the rest of the Amiga community could enjoy what she was enjoying.

And I will mention once again that MorphOS falls within this category. I remember in its earliest conceptions, it required a WB3.1 install to even RUN, 'cos the OS 'copied' Amiga Workbench's operating functions, calls, libraries, preferences....should I keep going on about this??

It's JUST A FEW ICONS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!! :pissed: Let the orginal artists come forward, instead of attacking cYbo on their 'behalf'.

Anyway, cYbo realized the mistake and removed the respective icons from the icon set. There is no need to discuss this matter any further.

Yeah, but you could have just as easily said something in private, but you didn't. You wanted to make it worse by playing the martyr, as though this somehow had some catastrophic consequence on YOU! You are acting like a jerk and are being an @$$. :-? If you don't like theM, DON'T USE THEM!!!

I hope this behaviour will stop immediately.

I feel the same about you. You may not have liked what she did, but alot of us, myself included, appreciate the work that she DID put into them. Until an 'official' PNG set is created, we are forced to scavenging and 'stealing' the icons we like, for what we want to use them for.

[Andre.Siegel]

How is it different? The original designer of Glow Icons was Matt Chaput, who copyrighted it. The Glow Icons CD contained icons that were *NOT* created by Matt, but USED his icons as a base (as was done here)

cYbo included *ORIGINAL* MorphOS (and other) icons which had not been modified AT ALL. Those icons weren't used as "a base" but reused unchanged.

for a commercial product (which was *NOT* done here)!

Matt's icons are available as FREEWARE. That is a fairly big difference compared to MorphOS icons which ARE NOT.

What she did is no different than the other icons sets made by other amiga users, except that you decided to take it out on her for 'using copyrighted material' when you said nothing about any of the others.

I am one of the artists contributing to MorphOS. So, if someone illegally redistributes MorphOS artwork, I will NOT keep my mouth shut about it. Other icon sets which are not related to MorphOS in any way, are of no interest to me.

I feel the same about you. You may not have liked what she did, but alot of us, myself included, appreciate the work that she DID put into them.

Are you able to read? I did not comment about the quality of the icon set AT ALL.

Until an 'official' PNG set is created, we are forced to scavenging and 'stealing' the icons we like, for what we want to use them for.

Ah, right. And since you cannot afford that Porsche car until you win the lottery, you are FORCED to steal it for what you want to use it for in the meantime.

That makes it perfectly legal and morally right, of course. NOT.

Wouldn't the said 'likeness' of MorphOS be classified as 'illegal'? I mean, after all, it *IS* a clone of the Amiga OS?

Do you have even the slightest bit of knowledge about legal matters? If you had, you wouldn't have asked that question.

Plus, this is totally unrelated. Writing a piece of software which works similar to Microsoft Word is NOT the same as redistributing illegal WAREZ versions of MS Word. Even a 5-year-old should be able to realize the difference.

By the way, you are certainly not helping cYbo by turning this into a useless flamefest. Again, cYbo admitted her wrong-doing and acted accordingly. End of story.

[cYbo]

Who are YOU to criticize her for using the icon...

Maybe my english is bad... DO you mean I am Famale? heheheeh...:-P My name is Bojan an i am not famale. :-P

I don't want to contiune this debate, I use couple MOS icons without autor comfirmation, this is my mistake.. and i remove from pack. I mean now is unnecessary all this tension.

I hope people love GlowRevolution pack, and this is most important!

Best wishes for all!

[Methuselas]

Maybe my english is bad... DO you mean I am Famale? heheheeh... My name is Bojan an i am not famale.

My apologies, Bojan.  :-D It's natural to assume that you were indeed a female, from Lorainne Designs. Sorry about that.

I don't want to contiune this debate, I use couple MOS icons without autor comfirmation, this is my mistake.. and i remove from pack. I mean now is unnecessary all this tension.

Bojan, SOME of us APPRECIATE what you attempted to do. Sadly, a certain individual on the 'Blue' side can't see it that way. If HE had just said from the beginning that he was one of the contributing artists, this wouldn't have happened, but he didn't.

I like what you did and yes, you shouldn't have used the said icons without the artist's permission, but he should have been more descreet and polite about it. He didn't have to bash you openly, in a public forum. That is the sure sign of a tempermental artist and VERY immature. You made a simple mistake and while it could have been easily rectified, he chose to draw guns and open fire. He came openly hostile; he was looking for blood.

That's the problem with the Amiga scene right now. It's torn between 2 warring factions: the Reds, or the over-zealous Amiga, Inc. followers and the Blues, the over-zealous MorphOS followers. Because of this, there is *NO* future for the amiga market, 'cos two big heads (Buck and McEwen) couldn't get along and work together. Because BOTH Buck and McEwen openly trashed one another (moreso on Buck's part), it caused a rift within the community, causing one side to hate the other. That's why *SO* many good and wonderful people jumped ship and migrated to Amigaworld.net. NOT because it was a 'better' site, but because is was claimed that Amiga.org's loyalties lied with MorphOS. However, the mere utterance of the Genesi or MorphOS name on Amigaworld.net is met with hostility. It goes both ways and even though there are people, like myself, who just love the Amiga, it's people like
Andre who makes it a war of attrition. They've decided that only one will survive. I quote Andre verbatim in toto:

 cYbo included *ORIGINAL* MorphOS (and other) icons

That is a fairly big difference compared to MorphOS icons which ARE NOT.

Other icon sets which are not related to MorphOS in any way, are of no interest to me.

This was NEVER about the use of someone else's icons. It was about using MorphOS's icons for the AmigaOS (and, quite coincidentaly I'm sure, MorphOS prime competitor, OS4.0). It wasn't about the Amiga getting something better. It was about the Reds 'stealing' from the Blues. Obviously Andre isn't about the Amiga. He's about the Pegasos. Bojan, you took an unnecessary hit from someone who just wanted to 'hurt a Red'.

I fall somewhere in between. I like both systems and would gladly use both, but it's things like this that just make me sick to my stomach. At least 60% of the applications used on MorphOS were originally *WRITTEN* for the AmigaOS, but are MorphOS 'compatible'. I won't get into a debate about how much either side would be sued if we decided to integrate MacOSX's API into AmigaOS's or MorphOS's code, so it would have Apple 'compatiblity'. MorphOS originally *REQUIRED* components from the *ORIGINAL* AmigaOS. In its first inceptions, MorphOS had not a SINGLE *NATIVE* app, instead scavenging from Amiga's library of software. It's taken it YEARS to get to a point where it didn't even require a simple WB3.1 install. There is bad blood between both sides, 'cos they each want to be the sole successor of a *DEAD* (YES, DEAD!!!!) PLATFORM!!!!

This had absolutely nothing to do with either side. This was about Andre bashing you openly for 'stealing' artwork, when never once did he claim a single icon in your set as his own. I won't dispute the fact what you did do wasn't right, but your motives were *NOT* vindictive as he had openly insinuated they were. Rather than simply asking you, in private, 'Hey, could you remove the MorphOS icons that you included?',he chose to bash you openly about it, probably using that version of VoyagerNG, originally written for the AmigaOS to post it. :lol:

Bojan, I would be happy to help you make a *REAL* set of PNG icons for the Amiga, ones that don't use the 'work and skills' of individuals whose zealot tendecies shadow the need for unity within a slowly, shrinking market. Then again, what does he care. After all, we're just 'Reds'.

As for you Andre, we'll finish this in private, as YOU should have done in the first place.

[Piru]

@Methuselas

I like what you did and yes, you shouldn't have used the said icons without the artist's permission, but he should have been more descreet and polite about it. He didn't have to bash you openly, in a public forum.

This is not the first time he steals other's artwork. It's always by "accident".

That's the problem with the Amiga scene right now

This was NEVER about the use of someone else's icons.

This is about stealing copyrighted artwork, nothing else.

...off-topic ranting removed...

[Andre.Siegel]

If HE had just said from the beginning that he was one of the contributing artists, this wouldn't have happened, but he didn't.

It simply didn't matter if I was part of the MorphOS team or not. This does not change the fact that something wrong had happened. And you are in no position to forbid me from speaking out openly about the matter.

If you have a problem with what I said, inform the moderators of amiga.org. They are the ones who decide what is acceptable, not you. Unless you apply to become a moderator yourself, that is.

He came openly hostile; he was looking for blood.

Well, I wasn't the one in the this thread who used swear words and called people "jerks"...

It was about using MorphOS's icons for the AmigaOS ... It wasn't about the Amiga getting something better. It was about the Reds 'stealing' from the Blues. Obviously Andre isn't about the Amiga. He's about the Pegasos. Bojan, you took an unnecessary hit from someone who just wanted to 'hurt a Red'.

You are being paranoid. I would have acted the exact same way if someone had released MorphOS artwork for Windows, MacOS or Linux.

The platform does not matter at all when someone releases parts of a commercial product on the internet without permission.

he chose to bash you openly about it, probably using that version of VoyagerNG, originally written for the AmigaOS to post it.  

The Voyager authors are part of the MorphOS development team. MorphOS has included a MorphOS-native version of this browser since ages. There is no need to use the AmigaOS3.1 version.

"originally written for AmigaOS" does not mean that the authors cannot port the software to whatever Operating System they like, of course. If you think otherwise, grab a pencil and write letters to the makers of LightWave, Directory Opus, SCALA, etc. who all have ported their Amiga software to more promising platforms by now. Oh, and don't forget to let us know about their answers.

[Dr_Righteous]

Icons are illegal period... GUIs are illegal. The GUI is copyrighted by Xerox corperation. Everyone else has infringed. Back to DOS with all of you! Oh wait, that was a ripoff too...