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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #29 from previous page: November 06, 2003, 07:37:13 PM »
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I don't agree that (Red Hat) Linux is difficult to use, once it's installed and configured.
i agree. i had a friend install my RH on my multiboot laptop and it runs fine. in fact it runs great!!!

i can't recompile the kernal - but my feeling is: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

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i'll love my pegasos when i get it  :-D
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2003, 11:44:58 PM »
Finally, a dash of realism.  Linux was never designed to be a domestic OS, so I don't know why everyone was so enthusiastic about it.

For a long time, Red Hat has been trying to change Linux into a desktop machine, and Linux people have outright resisted it.  Many people I've talked to refuse to recognize Red Hat as "Linux".  I think Red Hat just got tired of the backlash.

Personally, I don't think Linux, as a GNU/XWindows package, will ever break into the desktop market.  The technology was not designed with that use in mind, and the people who use Linux now have little, if any, interest in dumbing down the OS for normal people.  Linux was created as a low-cost UNIX for college students, and many have used it as a programming and server platform.  It will probably remain in that arena.

Windows95 with IE 5.0 was pretty good for functionality, if a bit crash prone.  Most drivers could be installed by adding them manually with the Add New Hardware control panel, and most programs could be run right from the HD without needing an installer.  If something was difficult, at least it was consistant so you only had to learn it once.  I can re-install Win95 in a snap.

Once Microsoft started introducing wizards to do everything (including the annoying "Clippy" mascott in MS Word), everything really started getting frustrating.  Every manufacturer has a unique way of doing things, programs won't run without registry keys, wizards galore ask you stupid questions that aren't needed, installers support pop-ups for all sub-functions, things have to be installed or pluged in a certain order for them to work, you HAVE to download critical updates regularly to patch the "automatic download" security holes... the list goes on.

Windows is at the end of its life cycle, and has really gotten out of control, so saying Linux is better than Windows really isn't saying much at all.  It won't be long before the Explorer system is discontinued and replaced with something else.  What bugs me is that many companies clone the Microsoft way of doing things, becuase MS has been so successful with it, so the next generation of OS's may not be better.  Many Linux systems aimed at the desktop market are adopting Microsoft methods.  Faster, more efficient, but not more functional.  I'd have more respect for MacOS X if Steve Jobs wasn't devil incarnate.  The way he runs that company is rediculous.  No motherboard upgrades for G4 towers?  Gimme a break.

And for OS4 or MorphOS, I need proprietary hardware.  There's no way in hell I'm buying a new OS, for that much money, without trying it first, and I can't do that on my x86 box.  They have unrealistic ideas of hardware platforms.  The future of computing doesn't look too bright to me.  No wonder Microsoft owns it all.
 

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2003, 12:39:49 PM »
@Tomas

Yes, and the he encounters a problem like the one I have just solved. Flash Player just crashed all the time. I had to go through my syslog to see that there was some problem with the audio (all my other apps using audio worked fine - xine, xmms etc.). To solve this, I had to download and compile ALSA, rmmod the original drivers and modprobe the new ALSA drivers. I also had to edit modules.conf.

This is nothing a normal home user would want to do.

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2003, 12:42:20 PM »
@Tomas
Installing nvidia's own linux driver requires heavy usage of the command prompt as well as hand-editing of your XF86Config. Yes, I tried Yanc etc. but it added stuff in the wrong sections and basically behaved badly.
You also have to understand the concept of root vs. normal users to do something like this.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2003, 07:29:08 PM »
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Installing nvidia's own linux driver requires heavy usage of the command prompt as well as hand-editing of your XF86Config.


Eh? It involves logging into a console and executing a .bin file. That's all there is to installation.

To enable it you need to change ONE entry in the XF86Config (or -4) file from saying "nv" to "nvidia". A few other entries will enable other features, all of which are fully described in the readme.

Hardly rocket science.

Besides, you need to remember that's not an aspect of Linux, but of the way nVidia have chosen to distribute their drivers.

Similarly, the ALSA driver problem you describe tells me you are using either an old distro or a user-unfriendly one. Up to date user-friendly distros do all that for you automatically (and install ALSA drivers by default anyway)

BTW, how many Amigans have never edited a system-startup or user-startup file by hand?
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2003, 10:34:48 PM »
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bhoggett:  BTW, how many Amigans have never edited a system-startup or user-startup file by hand?

How much effort does it take to learn startup-sequence?  How much more documentation is in the AmigaOS book compared to the docs of a Linux distro?  How does the syntax compare?  Do a file count of your "S:" directory and tell me there's more crap in there than an "etc" directory.

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2003, 11:27:17 PM »
@Waccoon

True. But there are two things to remember: most Linux distros have GUI tools to set the preferences, so you don't have to edit the files by hand, and Linux does far more than AmigaOS ever will.

AmigaOS is simple to follow because it's simplistic and limited. As you said, different beasts altogether.

The fact remains that editing ANY files by hand on a desktop system is an archaic method. I assume AmigaOS4 and MorphOS have automated that side of things so that manual editing is not required for configuration.
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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2003, 02:21:33 AM »
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Poster: carls Date: 2003/11/7 13:42:20
@Tomas
Installing nvidia's own linux driver requires heavy usage of the command prompt as well as hand-editing of your XF86Config. Yes, I tried Yanc etc. but it added stuff in the wrong sections and basically behaved badly.
You also have to understand the concept of root vs. normal users to do something like this.

I just typed: "sh Nvidiadrivername.bin" or actually i just typed sh NV and pressed tab, as that completes the filename, just as nickcompleter in nick  :-D
Then i went into my favorite txt editor and changed the gfx driver name from "nv" too "nvidia" and pressed save. that's all there was to it.. takes you a couple of minutes max  :-D no reboots needed either, other than restarting the xserver/logout from X/kde
 

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Re: Red Hat: Stick with Windows at home
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2003, 04:19:21 PM »
@Tomas and bhogget

Well, I had to hand-edit my XF86Config to configure TwinView to use TV-Out. I also wanted the pointer shadow :-)
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