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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2003, 09:39:05 AM »
This isn't a comment on the contents of the article, but IMO this would be much better placed under an "Editorials" section on the left, like interviews, with a news item saying that it had been added.  However objective the article may be (I don't know the facts well enough so I cannot comment), it's certainly not "news" like everything else there is.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2003, 09:47:10 AM »
Nice article. Although I'm not too sure how impartial Amiga.org (AO) is anymore. Eg is this Genesi propeganda? Don't forget that AO is hosted on Genesi servers. Several AO former team members now work or are affiliated with Genesi.

I'm not saying that I'm against Genesi at all. It's just that if Genesi are suing Amiga perhaps this story might be slightly more biased than it should be.

Thats my 5 pence worth...

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2003, 09:48:28 AM »
Oh here we go again, out come the Genesi troops  to do some character ####assination (once again) since the A1 lite and the OS4 demo may have gained a bit of interest from outside the community.

Look to past events and everytime something positive and Amiga.inc related happens within a day and (sometimes hours) up pops a genesi "news" item or this type of attack happens.

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2003, 09:49:42 AM »
This is not news, it´s telling the genesis side of things one more time. Please take time to tell us all the crap genesis did to put Amiga Inc. in bad light.
If the genesis suit against Amiga Inc. sends amiga inc. over the edge and in to bankruptcy,
I will leave the amiga scene for good.

Most of the debt Amiga Inc. owes, they owe in wages to them selfs, the shareholders. Amiga Inc. is just waiting for OS4 to be released to back their effort to raise more money. The company is on hold untill there is a range of products to make the firm look more attractive to investors.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2003, 10:05:06 AM »
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2003, 10:19:07 AM »
@KennyR

I think you just went too far again Kenny.

But first, in answer to the salient part of your post:

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And I think Genesi has got better things to do that try to win over the last few hundred fanatics by attacking AInc.

Who sayes that is their motivation? A dead Amiga Inc would be good business for Genesi. Else why would they want AmigaDE which has been openly criticised by Bill Buck in the past? Who sayes the number of "fanatics" numbers only in the hundreds. Sales figures I have seen put the number of currently sold and dispatched A1 boards at over 1300 units - and thats BEFORE AOS4 is out.


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It has a product and a willing market outside the myopic fanaticism of the dregs which remain of the Amiga community.

Really? How many outside of the "dregs which remain of the Amiga community" bought a Pegasos? Which of the 500 odd that bought rather than were given?

As yet, what willing market? Peg2 is aimed at development and developers, Peg3 may be aimed at consumers.

No need to be so rude.

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 Don't flatter yourselves that the MOS people would even want the all the name-followers and the crazies.

Well once could be as rude as you and say they have a lot of followers who are there only because they are anti-name and crazy.

Still, I feel you are being insulting and you have insulted me - according to you I am either crazy or a name follower - I am neither. I am just a consumer. In fact your aggressiveness is indicative of what stopped me buying a Peg1 in the first place.

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It's not as if they can code, is it? (No, just beg for ports...)

For gods sake, if this post of yours Kenny remains unmoderated and you remain unwarned then Amiga.org needs a kick up the bum.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2003, 10:22:03 AM »
Guys... Amiga Inc. is not our church...
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2003, 10:22:23 AM »
After my little outburst last week about A.org I have calmed down :)

The article above is on the whole fair, although ther are two points that I feel require  a little mention:

1) It doesn't mention that Genesi went after the Amiga trademark to cause Amiga problems.

2) The mention of Amiga's countersuit is valid, but the comments and quotes shown afterwoods are only there to agrevate, and add little if any to the topic.

3) According to the articles breakdown of the original Amiga/Genesi contract (and I am only going on the words here as I have not seeen the original) it says that:
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The contract states that future Thendic devices may be added to this list, but those devices would require the approval of Amiga Inc. to be so added.


Surely thats means that if Amiga do not wish to approve a device to add to the list they do not have to, thus rendering Genesi's case irrelevent?

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2003, 10:31:11 AM »
Let the courts decide.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2003, 10:31:40 AM »
@KennyR

If it's already stone dead, then why this "news" item?

Deny it all you want its plain to see my reasons above for the fact it happens EVERY SINGLE TIME!

The /. article on the A1-Lite, Downix appears telling everyone not to bother with the A1 as it's not "AMIGA" then says something along the lines of "buy a peg 2 instead". Could he actually be worried that the A1-lite could be a success?

No doubt someone will post a link to this "news" in that article to do further damage.

For something thats already dead, you guys are making sure it stays that way.
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2003, 10:44:25 AM »
I wish C= never went bust ....
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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2003, 10:52:12 AM »
@DaveP

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Who sayes that is their motivation? A dead Amiga Inc would be good business for Genesi. Else why would they want AmigaDE which has been openly criticised by Bill Buck in the past?


I don't pretend to be privy to the inner workings of companies I don't have any connection to (unlike certain others), and I'm not willing to conjecture. I don't understand why they would want the DE at all - from where I'm looking from, it's worthless. Broken. It probably just comes down to money and pride. The whole DE thing means nothing to me.

But what would Genesi gain if AInc went bankrupt? Community...? No. Superior hardware designs... not all that likely. Superior software... hardly. You tell me, because I sure as hell don't know why Genesi waste the court money challenging AInc - what's the difference between a competitor who doesn't compete and no competitor at all? None in my eyes. AInc are currently a non-entity.

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Really? How many outside of the "dregs which remain of the Amiga community" bought a Pegasos? Which of the 500 odd that bought rather than were given?


Admittedly, not many. However, people bought a Pegasos who would never have considered an A1, and who until they got a chance to try it probably wouldn't have ventured outside x86. Its ability to run MacOS for the fraction of the price of a real Mac seems to be a current sales pitch. However its strength to bring back users from PC and Linux scenes is already evident.

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No need to be so rude.


I'm sorry if the truth tends to bruise fragile egos. The Amiga community is not what it was. The quality that made it sparkle in the 90s is almost gone, absorbed by better solutions. And I don't mean MOS.

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Sales figures I have seen put the number of currently sold and dispatched A1 boards at over 1300 units - and thats BEFORE AOS4 is out.


Sales figures that are not authenticated and could be wildly exaggerated. The number of Pegasos and A1 users could be closer than you think.

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Well once could be as rude as you and say they have a lot of followers who are there only because they are anti-name and crazy.


Most Pegasos owners don't care about Genesi. They bought a Pegasos because it was the best option available to continue using a Amigalike environment. It was cheap, powerful, and available with a ready to use OS. In fact, you will probably find that some of the harshest criticism of Genesi's PR-before-users tactics comes from Pegasos users.

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Still, I feel you are being insulting and you have insulted me - according to you I am either crazy or a name follower - I am neither.


If you choose to let that epithet fall on you, so be it. You must want to be insulted, since these words don't really describe you at all. I supplied the description, it was you who wrapped it around yourself.

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I am just a consumer. In fact your aggressiveness is indicative of what stopped me buying a Peg1 in the first place.


Ah, really. My aggressiveness. I, who, until the last batch of Peg boards, were as cruel and critical of all things MOS as I currently am against AInc. No, I'm afraid you've got that wrong. Even if you were put off by mouthy blue trolls, as I sure as hell was, you would have got a Peg if you wanted one. That's exactly what I did. And guess what: half of the things the mouthy blue trolls said came true. It's when that happens you start to wonder whether you've backed the wrong side.

Why not with you, I wonder: it's not stupidity, certainly. Stubborness, maybe. But the time may come when you finally realise that the people you defend so staunchly are not worthy of your loyalty, and that the things you worked so hard to deny simply become undeniable.

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For gods sake, if this post of yours Kenny remains unmoderated and you remain unwarned then Amiga.org needs a kick up the bum.


I didn't say anything that isn't already known and painfully obvious. Truth hurts.

Freedom of speech is one of AO's great strengths. Other community website(s) seem greatly lacking in that department.
 

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2003, 10:52:12 AM »
I think it's very nice to see an unbiased article for once, an article describing the Amiga Inc situation based on facts and not opinions and emotions. Really refreshing! Last time I read articles like that was in the Commodore era, or shortly after it, when all the big Amiga Magazines still existed.

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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2003, 10:53:20 AM »
@James H. Russell:


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the AmigaONE hardware is shipping now with Linux and a coupon


There is no coupon.

And how is this news?

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2003, 10:54:05 AM »
@kees:

Nah, we'd never have had all the flaming fun we've had over the past decade ;-).

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Re: The Downward Spiral of Amiga Incorporated
« Reply #44 from previous page: September 24, 2003, 10:57:21 AM »
Freedom of speech I agree with Kenny, freedom to be rude I do not.

Ponder the difference between these two statements:

#1 President Bush made an error of judgement over Iraq, this will be the way history remembers him. People that side with Bush at the moment either fail to see this or give him too much leeway.

#2 President Bush is a retard, he f**ked up over Iraq. Those that stick up for him are just crazies and cultists.

I do not wish to be insulted, you insulted me as you insulted anyone who fails to be moved by your invective.

As for my reasons for not buying a Pegasos, they remain as a matter of principle. I will not buy them as long as "mouthy blue trolls" continue to be as rude, insulting and devisive as you so wonderfully demonstrated. If you and others put your arguments with less venom and vitriol and a damn sight more respect for your fellow Amiga community members then I would not feel so alienated.

Instead of buying a Pegasos, I have bought ( each time I had the free money available and seriously thought about it I end up reading something like the above from you ):

1. A playstation 2
2. A portable DVD player and LCD screen
3. An LCD screen TV
4. A new PC
5. A Compaq IPaq

What will it be this time I wonder?
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