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Offline Wolfe

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2003, 05:26:17 PM »
Thats the AOne board I'm waiting for.  Mini ITX ! :-D

My dead A1000 will have a powerhouse inside, well compared to the A1000 stock anyway ! :-P
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Offline DaveC

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2003, 05:41:42 PM »
@wolf

it was a hoax.  its not as if you'll be seeing os4 on anything soon, unless you have a cyberstorm....
 

Offline Eric_Z

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2003, 06:02:58 PM »
The lite's still planned for production by Eyetech :-)
 

Offline Lando

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2003, 07:21:50 PM »
Quote
The lite's still planned for production by Eyetech


Well, Eyetech still plan to sell it, but they don't design, manufacture, or produce anything.  They just re-label other people's hardware.  

Mai decided to design a mini-itx board, Eyetech decided to sell it as an A1.  Mai could decide not to make any boards again, and start selling jelly instead.  Eyetech have absolutely no say in what products come out.  They rely on Mai for everything.  They buy boards from Mai, they pay $50 to Ainc, then sell them to people as "Amiga".

It really annoys me to see Eyetech contiually being credit for other people's hard work.  You may as well give your local Blockbuster Video store credit for producing and directing the movies they sell.

Eyetech "Predator SE" PCI busboard (DCE G-Rex)
Eyetech "InSD2" Scan Doubler (DCE Scan doubler)
Eyetech "EZ-DF0" Floppy drive adaptor (Amiga Technologies Floppy adaptor)
Eyetech "AmigaOne" (Mai Teron CX / PX)
Eyetech "PortPlus" Serial port (VMC HyperComm)

Eyetech is a great shop, I have bought a lot of Amiga stuff from them and they were very helpful, but they do not design hardware, they do not manufacture or produce hardware - they buy it, put stickers on it, and re-sell it.  That is all.

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Offline xeron

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2003, 08:52:02 PM »
AFAIK, in the case of the AmigaOne, they licensed the design, sourced a manufacturing firm, and coordinated the whole project. Sure, MAI did the design, and whoever it was did the manufacture, but if eyetech hadn't have initiated and coordinated it, the boards would not have been made in the first place. I think they can take SOME credit where this is concerned.

The statement "Eyetech still plan to produce it" is only not true on a minor technicality that only a pedant would care about; they intend to take the design from MAI, and get a subcontractor to manufacture it for them. Maybe he should say "Eyetech still plan to have it produced". If MAI started selling jelly, Eyetech could STILL have it produced if they have the license to the design.

Also, FYI, there is nothing unusual about this. Many millions of items of consumer electronics are manufactured generically and rebadged for sale, but the brand on the front of the box is responsible to QA, warrantee, etc. and as far as the consumer is concerned, their TV/Video/Stereo/whatever was produced by whatever brand is on the front.

Its not a big con, its business. Note that Genesi don't design or make the Pegasos, either. bPlan design it, and DCE make it.
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Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2003, 08:59:48 PM »
@xeron
BEEEEEEEEEEEP wrong  :-P

a)bPlan = Genesi-Germany

b)The machines at DCE are owned by Genesi/bPlan, and operated by bPlan
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1. Make an announcment.
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Offline xeron

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2003, 09:05:35 PM »
OK, fair enough. My main point stands, though.
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Offline Wain

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2003, 12:08:58 AM »
It's called an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) license, they're quite common.
Half the CD-ROM/RW companies in the world don't actually make their drives, they just license them from companies like Plextor or Mitsumi and put their brand name on them.  Only three or four monitor companies actually manufacture their own CRT tubes, most of them get them from SONY, Viewsonic, and the like.  There's nothing wrong with it, and it's standard business.
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Offline xeron

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2003, 12:11:42 AM »
The slight difference in this case being that most monitor manufacturers don't generally approach Sony, license the design of the CRT, find their own manufacturer, organise a production run and QA testing... they just buy OEM CRTs... :-D
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Offline downix

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2003, 12:34:47 AM »
@xeron

But that is not the case here either.  Mai used the same plant to make the motherboards that Eyetech are now selling as the AmigaONE.  The only difference is that Eyetech orders in batches of 10 at a time while Mai was doing one-board orders.
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: ATIO System Inc. microATX AmigaOne appears to be a Hoax
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2003, 12:34:51 AM »
Does this mean that the MicroATX board is scrapped? :-o
Judging from the specs in Alan Redhouses presentation, I thought it looked interesting:

A1 MicroATX:
http://amigbg.com/gallery/graak/pages/d_mvc-046f.htm
http://amigbg.com/gallery/graak/pages/d_mvc-047f.htm

A1 Lite:
http://amigbg.com/gallery/graak/pages/d_mvc-048f.htm
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Offline HyperionMP

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2003, 01:03:02 AM »
Orders of 10 boards?

Where do you get that stuff?

You think it makes economic sense to ship 10 boards from Taiwan at a time especially considering that the minimum order quantity for Motorola G4's is 216?

To the best of my knowledge, A1's are shipped in batches of 200+ boards from Taiwan.
 

Offline MarkTime

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2003, 03:11:40 AM »
Well economic sense is a matter of opinion....but if you are asking, could someone order 1 at a time, when the price is $800....yes....

absolutely, at a 500 dollar premium, you can eat a lot of shipping costs...you can send a board from taiwan, even one at a time for less than $100. (far less)

Nevertheless, I imagine they would order 10 boards at a time, if not more.

200, lol....thats doubtful, but lets say they do....a whole 200, I guess that sounds like a lot compared to 10, but not so much compared to 50,000 at a time.
 

Offline JoannaK

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2003, 03:14:14 AM »
Well.. Anyone can oder smaller production batch and ask component placing/soldering company to keep rest of parts for next batch. It's nothin new of revolutionary... In case you didn't know about it ...

About Aone making.. I don't know what they have been doing but  based on that hoax ... Well you don't seem to know all what's cooking either..   :-P
 

Offline CodeSmith

Re: ATIO System Inc. to Release microATX AmigaOne
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2003, 03:21:33 AM »
@HyperionMP:

Nate's just yanking your chain - the postage alone would make shipping boards 10 at a time impossible

@Downix:

Oh, behave!