My AmigaOne Experience

[Rassilon]

@ Seehund

The point of your post was to re-iterate...  AGAIN! your view that AmigaOne's should be called Teron's. Which as you can see has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

My aim of my post was to point out the childish and boring reality of yours.

Hope that clears up any misunderstanding, and refreshes your devastated memory!

Rassilon

[lorddef]

@Rassilon

troll

[Rassilon]

@lorddef

If you read Seehunds original post you would understand that his was a troll pure and simple, for the reasons I stated in my post.

Say what you like about my replies, but Seehunds post added nothing to the thread, was not really anything to do with the thread, and was only posted to enrage other readers.


which you can see it has!


Rassilon

[redrumloa]

@Rassilon

Seehund is a one trick pony for sure (take it in stride seehund), but consider something. He has taken a stand on something he feels strongly about, and there are some people who are starting to understand what he has been screaming about all along.

I don't think Seehund is trolling here and I really don't think he is OT. Just my opinion. I used to be rubbed wrong by him for beating the same old drum, but over time it started to make more sense. According to Amiga Inc the A1s are supposed to have passed their strict in house QA.

[lorddef]

There is a distinct difference between seshunds comments on the topic (which I don’t agree with by the way) and the blatant attack that you pursued.

[Rassilon]

@redrumloa

Don't get me wrong I perfectly agree that everyone is entitled to there own opinion, and to express it.

However there is a point when the opinion should not be made, ie the fiftieth time!

The main angle of his post is to reiterate his view of the  A1/Teron name situation, which in reality bares little or no relation to the topic at hand.

With regard to QA - yes they have passed the strict procedures, but the updates that are referred to in this thread are a bios update and a new vversion of the supplied Linux. Nothing to do with QA of the mobo's et al., and therfore nothing to do with the topic of Seehunds post

Rassilon

[Rassilon]

@lorddef

If you read my above post you see that I have tried to explain myself a bit clearer.

The reason for my post was that I was/am agravated by the endless repeats of Seehunds views, which crop up where they have no relation to the topic. Enough already, I am aware of his view!

Rassilon

[Martyn]

redrumloa wrote:
@Rassilon

[snip]
 and there are some people who are starting to understand what he has been screaming about all along.

What?  We SHOULD call them terons? :-)

[snip]
According to Amiga Inc the A1s are supposed to have passed their strict in house QA.

I must say, I do think he's being rather anal about it.  If you get a copy Windows 2005 beta do you bitch and whine if it has bugs in it?  "But it's got Microsoft Windows written on it - that means it passed all their testing & certification...".  Yeah but, maybe a 'beta' and an 'earlybird' might make a difference there?  No?  Well, fair enough then, but don't expect any A1 owners or BAFs to give a crap.

Aren't the early Pegasos (sorry to go OT here...) boards (sans-'April') a bit buggy?  Yet they were (are?) still sold - with the name Pegasos on.  But does it matter?  Eyetech and Genesii both made it clear what you were getting.  I don't see why Seehund makes such a fuss.

Just my tuppence worth.

Martyn.

[Seehund]

Rassilon wrote:

Don't get me wrong I perfectly agree that everyone is entitled to there own opinion, and to express it.

However there is a point when the opinion should not be made, ie the fiftieth time!

When someone sees something he doesn't agree with for the X:th time, he shouldn't be allowed to post a reply with a countering view, or be dismissed as a "troll" for doing so, just because he's said it X times?
Well, remember that such a rule would be applicable both ways...

The point of your post was to re-iterate... AGAIN! your view that AmigaOne's should be called Teron's.
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The main angle of his post is to reiterate his view of the  A1/Teron name situation, ...

No.
If you want to reply to something, then please stop guessing what's written, just read it.

To spell it out again:

It's been suggested that "earlybird" customers should expect Eyetech to deliver the Terons with hardware problems, and that customers should know how to fix them.

JurassicCamper said that Eyetech's customers are testing the hardware.

This is what I replied to, and I stated that this is not true, or rather ought not be true.
Any hardware that is sold under the licensed "AmigaOne" trademark should be in perfect working order. Customers should be considered to be simply customers, not testers working for the distributor, with a certain minimum required competence in hardware troubleshooting or repairs.

The "Earlybird" offer just says that AmigaOS is not yet available for the Terons, so Eyetech recommends customers to have basic skills in the OS that it's delivered with: Linux. The hardware has supposedly passed that "AmigaOne certification".

It's not my fault that the "AmigaOne certification" has repeatedly proven to be absolutely worthless for consumer protection or for deducing anything about hardware qualities. I'll keep pointing that out when I see it, thankyouverymuch. That's proven facts, and as for my personal opinion I think I have tried to make that clear before...


I see that you apparently think that calling a Teron "Teron" is "trolling", and that you're even "enraged" by that? In that case I think you have an worryingly unhealthy attachment to something as insignificant as a licensed trademark.

With regard to QA - yes they have passed the strict procedures, but the updates that are referred to in this thread are a bios update and a new vversion of the supplied Linux. Nothing to do with QA of the mobo's et al., and therfore nothing to do with the topic of Seehunds post

First of all, my post was not solely and specifically aimed at the situation in this thread (I think Eyetech seems to have bent over backwards to help the guy).

The situation arose from a hardware fault that no "certified" boards should be shipped with: the firmware *PROM was locked, the essential firmware update could not be applied by normal flashing procedures. The hardware needed upgrading with a new physical *PROM chip. That has everything to do with QA.

[Rassilon]

@Seehund

Ok, let me try and put this into my persepctive, and answer each of you point in turn.

When someone sees something he doesn't agree with for the X:th time, he shouldn't be allowed to post a reply with a countering view, or be dismissed as a "troll" for doing so, just because he's said it X times?

As I said I am all for free speech and having one's own opinion, however the reference in your post was not put to provide factual information applicable to the topic, it was put there to get a laugh, and as such it was a troll.

The fact that you always post in A1 thread's about 'Teron's' always gets up people's noses. I'm pretty sure that someone always replies as such. So it does enrage people. You seem to get much enjoyment from stating a fact that really has no relevence to anything and generally winds people up. That also pisses me off.

With regard to the locked PROM, well I wouldn't necessarily see checking the locked status of a PROM as a normal QA procedure. However as it did happen to be locked, Eyetech offered to do the change over for Staticman. The boards are certified, I think you  would be pretty hard tasked to find a bios that is as well.

So your dig at the QA procedures of Eyetech is only there to cause a flame.

So the whole point of your original post was to piss people off -

Point 1: Teron's

POint 2: QA procedures

Therefore I brand the post a troll.

Rassillon

[Seehund]

@Rassilon

Apparently you have already made up your mind about what my point is and what I'm really saying. I suppose asking you to read the actual text again won't help.

No, whether people would like to refer to a Teron as "Teron" or "AmigaOne" was not my point.

No, I have made no dig at Eyetech's QA procedures, and whatever the heck individual hardware distributors do or don't do was not my point.

To spell it out again:

...
Oh, heck. Why bother. Feel free to be enraged and pissed off.

[Rassilon]

@Seehund

I'm willing to give it another go, so I have re-read you comment - I have broken it down thusly:

JurassicCamper wrote:

I completly disagree. Those of us who took up the early bird offer are testing this hardware, ...

No. You bought a piece of hardware, using the licensed "AmigaOne" trademark, from a licensed distributor.
That these Teron motherboards are sold under the "AmigaOne" trademark means, among other things, that:

- It has passed AInc's extra strict quality assurance tests.
- It has passed AInc's AmigaOS4 compatibility tests.
- The support level as well production and distribution capabilities meet the extra high standards set by AInc.

Right?

You sarcastically take JurassicCampers comment on face value and continue to put in your little dig about Teron's.

Perhaps it would have been clearer if JC had said that we are testing the firmware, which is actually closer to the truth.

You all do remember that the "AmigaOne" name is a CERTIFICATION, meant to BENEFIT and PROTECT us as consumers, right? It's NOT a market restriction imposed on us and third party hardware, just to fund irrelevant former "hardware partners" and get some quick rent money from short-sighted trademark licensing for a thousand or two mobos on an artificially limited market... Right?

This is just a cheap shot at Eyetech and Amiga Inc, not really fussed about this bit /

(BTW, "Earlybird" suffix or not doesn't matter. That's just a recent Eyetech campaign offer to buy Terons preceding the AmigaOS4 release. It never was meant to tell the customer that the hardware was not up to snuff. I hope.)

Another sarcastic stab with the old 'Teron' joke.

Now if I have misunderstood a section please enlighten me  :-)

Rassilon

[Wilse]

@Seehund & red:

Sorry guys, I don't get what your (seehund) point was.
I've got to go along with rassilon on this one - it looks to me like you just wanted to stir it up.

Or are you seriously saying that you believe that because they were tested by Eyetech, then no further testing should take place?

When it comes down to it, Eyetech did their best to help the guy, simple as that.

[Seehund]

Wilse wrote:

Or are you seriously saying that you believe that because they were tested by Eyetech, then no further testing should take place?

No.

When it comes down to it, Eyetech did their best to help the guy, simple as that.

Yes.

[redrumloa]

Wilse wrote:
@Seehund & red:

Sorry guys, I don't get what your (seehund) point was.
I've got to go along with rassilon on this one - it looks to me like you just wanted to stir it up.

I'm not trying to stir anything up. I simply stated that I am starting to understand why Seehund has been screaming about the licensing scheme for all this time, it is silly.

[Wilse]

I simply stated that I am starting to understand why Seehund has been screaming about the licensing scheme for all this time, it is silly.

Well, it's probably the only income stream Amiga Inc will have for the forseeable.

OTOH, if they go under.....

Anyway, we're veering OT.  ;-)