Open Amiga - Defining the Standards

[System]

@mdma,

Glad you seem to have thought of everything.  Just be aware that they traditionally consider anything with the word Amiga in it to belong to them.  I see your point about developing an open concept.  Amazingly, this is what Amiga Inc promised and failed to do since 2000.  Before responding to that, realize that it's not a dig against Amiga Inc.

But... in McEwen's FIRST appearance as CEO (circa 2000), one of his first promises was an open architecture so that many manufacturers could write to it.  

What we ended up with is a closed-architecture, proprietary, dongle-driven system by Eyetech and Hyperion.  I am NOT suggesting that that's either a good, or bad thing, but like so many things that Amiga Inc has promised us through the years, I consider this yet another promise unfulfilled.

Not even AInc are that stupid. Are they?!?!?!?

Before I, or any color troll get started off on this tangent, let me stop you right there with a basic "no comment". :-)

[bloodline]

I think that everyone should see benefits. We are not saying:

"Do this, do that"

All we are saying is, Every OS soloutin has it's strengths and weakneses... fine, they also have their supporters, even better!!! But if we want lots of lovely software, then there has to be some kind of common path.

[System]

Lets mix up the Amiga gene pool a little.  Maximize the benefits of evolution! ;-)

[bloodline]

The Tearm I use with AROS is "Cross pollenate"  :-D

[System]

@bloodline

Fully agreed.  A common path (as long as it's not the "lowest common denominator") is best for everyone concerned now.  Put away the flags and armor, pick up your keyboards, and get back to coding which is really the only important thing left.

[System]

@Wayne

Just be aware that they traditionally consider anything with the word Amiga in it to belong to them.

I reckon their are plenty of 'Prior Art' examples of the word amiga everywhere.  Particularly in Spanish libraries! ;-)

[redrumloa]

I wish you luck, I still don't see how it will work without cooperation from the companies. A whole bunch of wrappers? :-?

[System]

The Tearm I use with AROS is "Cross pollenate"

Stalks or seeds? ;-)

[Kronos]

@Red

I have to disagree here:

When developers decide to stick too MUI-3.8 and that part of CGX that is supported by P96, than both Hyperiom
and Genesi have to live with it. Remember that H&P tried to push ReAction since 1998 (or 99 ?),ö and how little most
external developers cared ?

Only if they add new APIs that really are superior, or if one side gets a marketshare over 80%, only than would using those
APIs make sense for commercial devs. Bed-rooms-coders on the other side may actually be too lazy, or "sided" to bother
for an "Amiga"-branch they don't use.

[System]

Will someone who has an account on amigaworld.net please "Ask Fleecy" what he thinks of OpenAmiga? :-D

I haven't submitted it as news there, as I want to see if it makes it's way on there from the other sites it's own.

[gary_c]

There's only a short thread about openamiga at amigaworld.net. There's a little support, but mostly it's "why go for lowest common denominator when we can get the full AOS4"? And "Amiga, Inc. is in charge; let them do the standard-setting." That sort of thing. I guess they feel the AmigaOne will be successful enough on its own to drive the market, set the standards, attract the developers and the buyers, and there's no need for market-maximizing things like openamiga.

I won't comment on how realistic that may or may not be, but let's just say it's consistent with the general rallying behind Amiga, Inc., Hyperion and Eyetech and disdain for competitors that you would expect. But again, it's a very small sampling so I don't want to make unwarranted generalizations about that website.  ;-)

-- gary_c

[amimonkey]

@gary_C

And you've bought Amigaworld.net into this for what reason?
:-?

so I don't want to make unwarranted generalizations about that website.

Erm... you just did (nice one).

Ian

[System]

@amimonkey

And you've bought Amigaworld.net into this for what reason?

Because I mentioned it first!

[amimonkey]

@mdma
You asked if somebody could "Ask Fleecy"... doesn't mean that gary_C has an excuse to go off on one and generalise about the people who frequent amigaworld.net.

It just seems that people who visit this site will take ANY opportunity to slag off amigaworld.net - but it's based on a very small sampling so I don't want to make unwarranted generalizations about this website. ;-)

Oops I just did ;-)

Ian

[DavidF215]

MUI shouldn't be a standard since it is not a free application (unless it's changed since I looked at their website a long time ago). Making users purchase MUI in addition to AmigaOS and hardware just to run a "standard" application is bad, bad, bad. If MUI was a minimum standard, then new users couldn't even run such "standard" applications if they didn't have a full copy of MUI.

[downix]

@DavidF215

There is a free clone of MUI called Zune that is availible.