New Poll: Do you want OS4 on Pegasos

[Warface]

I know that it's strict business secret, but may we know what were the licensing terms Eyetech could and Genesi couldn't accept? It's told, that it's the same for everyone. I'm just curious, but not expecting an answer. :-)

And what are the expectations a board must conform to in order to be called AmigaONE? Were those changed as AmigaONE is an AmigaONE, despite that it has neither DE nor OS4?

[yssing]

Sticking to amiga sepcifik HW si the way to go, as it have always been.
To much different HW, will only give us the same problems as the Windows world have today.

Maybe We will have to buy our HW at a higher price, but it will most likely never run into the same incompatibily problems as with the wintel HW.

So for me, a big NO.

Hope I am making sence. :-)

[Kronos]

@yssing

Only because one extreme causes problems (really ??)
ain't enough proove that going the other extreme will
be a good idea.

One of the major reasons for the death of Amiga
was and is that there were no companies to produce
new Amigas, after C= (and later Escom) collapsed.

So who would build/sell HW for OS4.x if something
goes wrong with either MAI or Eyetech ?

[yssing]

@Kronos

I can see your point, and it really was to bad, that no one made any new amigas since the demise of Commodore, except for a few clones.

But I am just saying amiga specific Hardware is a better way.
This day, no one really makes any new ZII or ZIII stuff any more, does not really  matter.
Then certify some hardware as amiga specific HW.
Say something like this "This HW we know 100%, this we will support". Ofcourse new HW are build all the time, but that does not mean we have to use it.
Stick to a selected few, that would IMHO be better.

[dammy]

Poster: KennyR Date: 2003/5/22 9:10:18

Sure there's another option - use a PC only and forget AmigaOS ever existed. But I guess you do already, Bill. Your loss.

And AROS runs on?

Dammy

[Warface]

Stick to a selected few, that would IMHO be better.

That's why Amiga set a standard (Zico?) before all the hassle begun. They have also set a set of rules of which describe when can a machine be called AmigaONE.

The Pegasos not matched the criteria, the planned AmigaONE (the old Eyetech/Escena design) was a perfect match. Never the less, that AmigaONE remained that - a plan.

Whatever, Amiga Inc is free to say YES and NO's. They hold the IP. I'm just interested in the policy/licensing/etc. changes occured since.

- EDIT -

And the original licensing terms of course :-) I know, it's secret, but you know the human curiosity :-)

[Kronos]

@Warface

Actually the other way round:
The Peg is the only one that would have been "Zico" ....

[Warface]

The Peg is the only one that would have been "Zico" ....

No. The original Zico spec required 4 PCI slots, the Pegasos has 3 AFAIR. However, now neither the Pegasos nor the current AmigaONE matches the Zico criterias.

[amimonkey]

@MarkTime

Now that's what I call a conspiracy theory! :-D

Ian

[meerschaum]

so one missing PCI slot makes it not 'zico' ... I consider the rom to be more divergent from zico then a missing PCI slot... who cares if it has 1 less PCI...it has more integrated features to make up for that... and its smaller....people complain about that one PCI slot... I dont get it

[seer]

it has more integrated features to make up for that... and its smaller....people complain about that one PCI slot... I dont get it

What I don't get is that people are still "discussing" this A-One vs Peggy crap.... We had these BS since the Atari wars, and you people still haven't had enough of it

[IonDeluxe]

Whats the poll all about?
Simple, I was interested to know.
Why is it posted on that website?
Because thats the only website I am aware of that is amiga\computer related that allows me to make a poll as nothing more than a registered member.

There are alot of people passionate about pegasos here, and also a number for the other team, and this is why I posted the news item here.The polls are certainly NOT there to bring more people to that website.

I have initiate discussion on this topic with BBRV, but realized it was pointless without any indication of what the community wants and thinks, so hence the polls.

I encourage people to post a link on as many pegasos and amiga related websites as possible, the more people that answer the polls from different places, the more accuracy the polls wil have.

The other part of the poll is the bit thats not asked.If few people answer it, that shows a lack of interest in the subject.If alot of people answer it, it shows a great deal of intrest

If there is not enough intrest in it, then there is not point in my continuing to persue this discussion with BBRV, and I will stop wasting his time.

[Warrent]

@ Kronos

What does a "new" plattform need to succed ?

Money and this point and time I do not see anybody having the money to make it in the "main stream market"  As Bill Gates learn, making money is in the software, not the hardware, so if someone would like to have a real shot at the "main stream market" then making new mother boards is not where it is at.  Let's face it neither the Peg or Amiga is going to make it in the "main stream market".    

So, who really cares what the Peg or the Amigaone does??  Just some small groups?  Both sides can say whatever they want and to who does it really matter??

[Hammer]

IF Pegy camp just obtained a license like Eyetech one wouldn’t even ask this question.

I don’t think Amiga Inc would change their licensing policies. The poll is just a futile exercise.

[gary_c]

I think it's too early to decide. After we see how  AmigaOS4 and MorphOS compare, how the application support turns out, etc., then we would know if there's something to be gained from AOS on Pegasos. Ideally, I think it'd be neat.

Seems like Genesi wants to promote Pegasos as a multiboot board, so AOS would join the lineup of OSs for it. But as a practical matter it might not make that much difference if the apps are mostly already available on MorphOS and features are more or less equal.

-- gary_c

[legion]

Uh hmm.. lets try to go back to the original topic, yes?

"Would you like to see OS4 on the Peg?"

Me?  yes.  Support as much PPC hardware as possible.  Get us away from this x86 dominated market.  I don't care if its cheaper!  Its an old, outdated, "ready-for-the-boneyard" architecture.  Jesus Krispy-Kreme Christ, even Intel knows this.  Can you say PA-RISC?

Anyhow, as much as I hate to see Big Blue reclaim any sort of title (you think MS strong-arms the market?  heh.. IBM *invented* IT strong-arming), you have to admit its a better platform... especially PPC970, which should take RISC back in the right direction.  

The same goes for MorphOS.  Their head is in the right place, but they are trying to beat OS4 to the punch with whip cream on the top (ambient) but crap underneath.  IMO they should have waited util the OS was a bit more stable before a 1.0 release, but... oh well.  Its just my opinion.  Regardless, I hope MorphOS supports as much PPC hardware as they can get their hands on, even BeBox's.  Hopefully, it will bring true competition back to the marketplace.  

Its ironic.  IBM couldn't do it with their OS, but... will they be able to do it with hardware???   :-?