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Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« on: March 18, 2003, 10:09:44 PM »
The Finnish Amiga Users Group published a translated interview with Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco of Genesi in their latest Saku e-zine. This interview was conducted on March 15th, 2003. For  the benefit of the international audience, the original transcript of that interview is now released below. The Finnish Amiga Users Group would like to thank Bill and Raquel for taking the time to answer these questions.

Q: Could you both tell a little bit about yourself and your background. I'm  sure not everyone is familiar with you. And what's with you always answering together? :-)

A: Well the best thing would be to read the interview from last year here:

http://www.amiga-news.de/archiv02/020417_interview_bb_pt.shtml

There is a picture of us there too... ;-)

Anyway, we are always together. We are married and we work together.  Sometimes the emails are from me and sometimes from Raquel.

Q: Before we go into some details that may interest our Finnish audience, can you please give us a small status report on what Genesi is doing right  now, and what to expect in the coming weeks and months? What is your event schedule for the spring?

A: We have spent the last three months bringing the Crossbee team onboard. You can visit their website here www.crossbee.com. From Crossbee we not  only achieve an experienced management team, but we get the application software too. This will be integrated into MorphOS and we will offer this  solution to very large institutional clients - hardware, OS, applications and all tied in to smart cards. On top of this we will introduce further  applications. For example, if you consider the things we have done with the wireless cameras and PDAs in Thendic-France and you combine this with the  things found here www.ceolia.com you will understand better our long term direction. Incidentally, Ceolia is joining Genesi too... ;-)

The Pegasos development itself is focused on two key directions:

1. The digital terrestrial television STB running on a PPC and MorphOS.

2. The Pegasos II with the Marvell northbridge.

We will have Pegasos II six layer prototype boards available for our own tests in less than three months. If things go well, we could be shipping the Pegasos II much sooner than September, but we will hold to that date  for now.

MorphOS in the meanwhile will be further stabilized and broadened while the Pegasos II comes to be. We are licensing many interesting things for MorphOS. ProStation Audio for example will be bundled with the OS itself.

Q: Most of us have read about the Pegasos and the MorphOS. We know these products and they are available for us to see. But there are other MorphOS based products on your roadmap. Let's see if I can get them right: 1) the eclipsis, a hand-held, 2) Psylent, standard Pegasos in a silent case, 3) the mystery set-top box you have been contracted to do and, finally, 4) the Pegasos 2. What is the status of these? Did I miss any?

A: The Psylent is basically finished and the new case looks good. You can see the pictures at www.genesi-support.com. Our large STB project pushed the eclipsis development back a little, but we are still moving ahead with that. The Pegasos II we have discussed already.

Q: You also have some other products, such as the Cashboy and the Eyecam. Could you give us a quick overview of those and what part, if any, they play in your masterplan?

A: Well, the Cashboy is just a Point of Sale device. We learned about smart cards with this product. The ComCam we used for the same experience. We actually have a new product due at the end of the month that is related to the Crossbee discussion above that uses the new ComCam. Smart cards come into play in the next phase.

Q: There has been a lot of discussion concerning the Mai Logic Articia S and the G4. What did you mean when you said the current 600 MHz G3 Pegasos performs better with it than a 800 MHz G4? Were you referring to general performace (on average perhaps) or some specific functions? What do you make of counter-claims that Teron boards with G4 have been running some Linux games significantly faster than their G3 counterparts - which sounds pretty logical to a layman?

A: Of course, we meant running applications - any applications are actually fine. The more the better and all executing simultaneously. Someone else should define the test. We will happily participate as
expected/required/desired.

We have tested every platform developed by Mai, because we helped them. We do know what we are saying... ;-)

Q: How about faster G3 processor modules for the Pegasos?

A: No, don't think so...

Q: What are the chances of us seeing more Pegasos boards before Pegasos 2? Any hints on a possible Plexuscom deal?

A: :-) Cannot say, but the Plexuscom people are coming to Paris after CeBIT.

Q: What is the status and future of MorphOS on 1) Teron boards (including AmigaOne) and 2) the Phase 5 PowerPC boards? Any immediate plans for shrink-wrapped MorphOS packages? Wouldn't a separate version for these platforms make sense now that the Pegasos is sold out for the moment, to get the attention of some additional developers and users?

A: Well on the first matter we have tried publicly and privately there to advance that effort. It has met with far too much disharmony and unnecessary negativity. We won't touch this issues for a couple more months... then we will try again.

The second idea is a good one. We are working on a new release for MorphOS for the Phase5 products now. It will be released within the next couple of months. We will not be charging for this release.

Q: What do you make of comparisons between Amiga and UNIX, both operating systems that have been cloned? Would you consider MorphOS and AmigaOS to be a bit like BSD and UNIX? What do you feel is MorphOS's or Genesi's claim to its part in the Amiga community?

A: MorphOS is part of the Community. The other questions are really the stuff for a beer or coffee on a sunny weekend afternoon... ;-)

Q: You have been supporting the demoscene in various ways. Here in Finland you sent us something to see back in AltParty 2003 and I believe you have mentioned the Assembly 2003 event in Helsinki in some of your postings. Have you been in contact with the organizers yet? What are your plans there? Did you know that Assembly has a history of sponsored compos? Last year Nokia sponsored a Nokia 7650 Java development competition.

A: Yes, we have good contact with Mikko Virtanen. We should do the same thing as Nokia!

Q: Okay, I know you know there are people out there who really don't like you. Your communication style is quite unorthodox. Any comments on that?

A: :-)

Q: For my final question I'll skip the usual, and I'd like to reflect a bit on the past before looking forward. The Finnish Amiga Users Group turns ten this spring. When we started, Commodore was still around. During the decade that followed, we've seen the world move on, but progress in the Amiga community has been seriously lacking. We even saw you guys have a go at it once at VIScorp. Now, finally, some progress is being made, but probably not in the unified direction we all thought it would go ten years ago. The community is also a bickering shadow of its former self. Any final thoughts on that?

A: Well, this is 2003. What was before is not now and the sooner we can get everyone focused on what is here NOW and what can done, we might be able to create something NEW and BETTER.

Q: Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions!

More information about the Finnish Amiga Users Group and the Saku e-zine can be found at http://saku.amigafin.org.

About Finnish Amiga Users Group

Finnish Amiga Users Group (officially Suomen Amiga-käyttäjät ry.) is a registered, non-profit organization dedicated to helping Finnish Amiga computer users by preserving and advancing the Amiga hobby and knowledge of the Amiga computing platform in Finland. The group aims to reach its goals through volunteer efforts such as organizing events and publishing an e-zine called Saku.
 

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2003, 01:27:24 AM »
Let the race begin! :-)
Who will have their OS running on real Amigas first Genesi or Hyperion?
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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2003, 03:04:26 AM »
indeed...but by real Amiga you mean, correct me if I'm wrong, a phase5 accelerated Commodore or Escom Amiga 1200/4000?
 

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2003, 04:25:25 AM »
I dont really know why people will or have the passion to support Genesi. Bill Buck acts for some reason really harsh towards Amiga users and companies.

Genesi is nothing more than a new DCE for me. Amiga Inc. neither have the spirit. None! And thats what so terribly irritating.

The time when I respect Genesi for what its doing, is the day when they start to treat people like humans and not like cats and dogs.

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2003, 04:28:02 AM »
@MarkTime

I think he means such such a machine.  I'm looking forward to seeing the MorphOS for the 1200/4000 being delivered.  (even if my 1200 died a horrible death)
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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2003, 05:32:36 AM »
Well he does spend money to support the community, you have to give him that.
 

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2003, 07:01:23 AM »
Well, if the only thing we can complain about Genesi is the personality  of Bill Buck, it's not that bad :)

No clarification about the G4 + articia issues, but 1)  FREE MOS for classic PPC amigas 2) Pegasos 2 on schedule...

Not bad :)

AmiDelf : is he that evil, or just a bit short-tempered on forums? (correct english ?)
 

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2003, 07:22:57 AM »
I just say.. he should act like a person, and not like a childlish boy wich just love to say things to hurt others...

Is this how to behave?:
"to answer your last post before Christmas...

OK Trezzer, have a nice Holiday? ...you self-righteous, arrogant little twitÉjust kidding! Seriously, take off the dunce cap, open your mind, and get ready to learn something. It is true, we did speak at WOASE, but that was then; this is now. That was in November, we continue to advance. What have you been up to? At WOASE, we were discussing the Betatester, not a Pegasos with April. You were the guy from Denmark in the suit, who was so disrespectful to your fellow Dane, Mark Olsen (Bigfoot). BTW, he is a better coder than you and works in Paris now. You must have felt justified by your age to treat him like that. How old are you, 26? What do you do for a living? Please post your CV on ANY public forum for all to see what authority you speak from (you jerk)!

You are in the same boat as archaic teapot, skyracker, and MountianMystÉgo dig a hole for yourself or try a cold shower. Maybe, just go somewhere else. We do not need you! Really, Trezzer, develop for us?! Very funny! And, Trezzer, about VisCorp and your last comments on amiga.org. What do you know about this? Obviously, not much. Did you read the Amiga-News interview last Spring that Raquel and I did with Petro. Have you ever in your entire life made such an effort?! Do think everything we are doing now is free?

And, about the football team and the militaryÉare you an athlete, have you been a soldier? Have you ever faced the ultimate physical and mental/intellectual challenge of sports or a battlefield? Perhaps, you would rather stick to video games instead of the real thing? If you tried it, you might find out what you are really made of then.

Get a life Trezzer and come back when you are running your own successful company. Here is your last lesson for the day: Life is about perseverance. It is about not giving up, but continuing to believe in your dreams while working every day to reach them. Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone learns from them and keeps going. We have made plenty of mistakes and we do our best to learn from them. You made a mistake with us. If you have ÒcharacterÓ you will be able to admit it someday.

We tried the ÒkindÓ approach, now we are just going ahead. If you want to hop on board there is enough room for any one who can be part of the success. We will be watching the rest of you (when we have time )from the rear view mirror. Eat our dust!

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill"

Taken from: http://www.wuergler.dk/genesi.txt


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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2003, 08:33:07 AM »
Hello AmiDelf,

That reaction of Bill Buck.
It reads like a person who's been hurt and insulted.
Do you know what happened or said to him prior this reaction of his?
If his reaction isn't a "reaction" but just came out (all of a sudden) then I'd say that he isn't a polite man.
But again, I don't know the history behind this and therefore it isn't possible to base something on only this mail of his.

Like Mahen said, if it's only one person but the company is delivering, I don't mind. We don't have to talk to that person.
Look at Bill Gates!!
Everybody dislikes him, but still, how many of the Amiga community have a pc at home with Windows!!!!!
(no need to say more I think)

I'm very curious about the history, could you tell that?

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2003, 08:42:17 AM »
WOW! man, that was one *nasty* email!

Bill, in future before responding to emails, just chill out ok?

BTW, I disagree with the comment about Amiga users also using Windows.  We use Windows because at work, you pretty much never have a choice and at home, well, how many games come out for the amiga each year? how many websites can you browse with amiga web browsers? I still use my accelerated A1200, but I'd be cutting my nose off to spite my face if I *only* used my A1200...
 

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2003, 09:12:16 AM »
Hello CodeSmith,

Quote
BTW, I disagree with the comment about Amiga users also using Windows. We use Windows because at work, you pretty much never have a choice and at home, well, how many games come out for the amiga each year? how many websites can you browse with amiga web browsers? I still use my accelerated A1200, but I'd be cutting my nose off to spite my face if I *only* used my A1200...

I placed that comment as an example how a few people say that they don't like Bill Buck as a person and therefore they don't want his product (Pegasos/MorphOS),  but on the other hand people are using Windows at home while not liking Bill Gates.
This wasn't meant as an attack or so :-)

I agree with you about the internet-part, not with the games-part though. I've got my PS2 to cover that one :-D
But for internet unfortunately you need pc software to cover all those websites with Java, etc..
(Ofcourse you can emulate it too on your A1200 :-))

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2003, 09:33:42 AM »
Hi Spidey

Ok, I didn't understand your meaning then.  However, whether I like Bill Gates or not as a person is immaterial - my boss says Windows so it has to be Windows.  There are people who don't like Bill Gates and so don't use Windows - those would be the millions of Linux and *BSD users (I suspect Mac users don't care enough about PCs to have strong feelings about BillG :-D)
 

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2003, 10:04:21 AM »
Hello CodeSmith,

Well, sometimes I'm not so clear in writing down what I precisely mean :-) (English is not my native language)

Quote
my boss says Windows so it has to be Windows

Ofcourse you have to use the material you get on your work. I'm writing this at my work on a pc with Win95 on it. That's why I said:

"....how many of the Amiga community have a pc at home with Windows!!!!!...."

So work doesn't count ofcourse :-)

About Linux and Mac people:
I know too little about these two groups to go into it, but is it correct that on the Mac you can install pc software, like IE?
Linux, can't they run pc software?
(really I don't know about these two systems, that's why I am asking these questions)

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Re: Finnish Amiga Users Group Interviews Genesi Management
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2003, 10:17:21 AM »
It wasn't meant to be posted here - that's why it wasn't posted already. Just showed it to a select few. Oh well, now that the cat is out of the bag I might as well set a few things straight.

I am guilty of writing him back in a similar tone. It was rather a good vocabulary exercise since one hardly ever gets to use that selection of words. It didn't even feel that good to do it, but hey, if the guy uses those words, it must be because he thinks they have some effect.

Anyway, as we've seen before in the forums this isn't the only example of Buck's writing.

That said, Buck certainly got a few of his facts wrong.

First of all it is true that we did talk at WoA. Bill does not seem to recall what we talked about though. He seems to think it was about the Pegasos, which it wasn't. He also claims that I was disrespectful to Mark Olsen, which according to my memory isn't true - in that case I hereby apologise to Mark if he's reading this. He asked us if we we're friends, since we we're both Danish, and we looked at each other and answered "no". We still had a little chat afterwards, since we do know each other and I don't see any disrespect in that.

He is absolutely right about one thing though. Mark is a way better coder than me. I'm not a coder at all (well, only dabbling around anyway).

Regarding my CV, I'll just mention the relevant part for this community: I've managed the Pagan Games projects Earth 2140 and Blobula (both released to great critical acclaim), run the amiga.dk site since sometime in the mid-90s, been a more or less active demo scener, used to run a Danish second-hand buy/sell site for Amiga (there is now both Amibench and another Danish site, so no need for that any more), and finally I ran a list of Danish user groups (which will be up again once the brand new custom-coded Amiga.dk gets up and running). This has always been besides other jobs and my studies of course. I think that more or less wraps it up for my CV in the Amiga business. I got mine in '87 and have had almost every existing Amiga model.

To answer the two questions he put: No, I haven't been a soldier, and good riddance. I do practice martial arts though. Oh, and I still think football (soccer) sucks. The only good kind of soccer is Shaolin Soccer.

So, now you have it. Let's see what Bill Buck can come up with. First of all there was something about a really successful company called ... VisCorp. I believe they became famous for STBs and not putting their money where their mouth was. Nowadays mainly famous for abusing people it seems.

As for what triggered his reaction: well, I tried to find the thread again without any luck. As I recall I said something like "Viscorp should have bought the Amiga name when they had the chance instead of leeching of other peoples' IP". And besides that I said that they'd manage to alienate me even more by sponsoring military and soccer - two things I hate dearly.
 
I did find some of what must have triggered it. I understand that this may have been provocative to Buck from his perspective, but that's the way I feel about it. And no level of personal abuse in personal messages will change the way I feel about it or make me shut up if there's something I want to say. You can see what I said here.

I don't see anything there that calls for the level of personal abuse he starts out with.


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Yes, this is how I communicate when...
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2003, 10:27:35 AM »
Hi AmiDelf et al...

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark!"

That is a quote from Hamlet.  Hamlet was lamenting over the wretched state of Denmark (and then incidentally compares the two kings, his father and his uncle Claudius as "Hyperion to a Satyr."  I probably would not have used Hyperion as an example of the goodness of one.  For me, the only thing rotten in Denmark is Trezzer as evidenced by his hypocritical and personal attacks which the letter above was written in response to (but, that is another story and was not the subject of this thread)...;-)

Later, Hamlet says...

Fie on't! ah fie! 'tis an unweeded garden, that grows to seed; things rank and gross in nature possess it merely. That it should come to this!  

This of course can be compared to the "community" in the months and years before.  :-o    This place was a mess.  

Raquel and I are great advocates of what we call gardening. If you plant a garden and you ignore it, it's taken over by weeds. But if you keep at it, month after month, then it grows as it should and you can be proud of your work.  We like the way the garden is shaping up!  Things are looking good.   It was not so easy in the beginning when we came back to the Community.  Alot of weeding had to be done and it was dirty work...;-)  We have absolutely no interest in "weeds."  Let them "grow" in another garden.

Spring is here...so to speak! We are trying  to do our best to be good gardeners!

So, that is my answer about "unorthodox communication."  You see, I do not have Hamlet's problem!

Bill  :-P