Amiga.org Welcomes Genesi as an advertising sponsor

[Alkemyst]

Poster: downix Date: 2003/3/9 18:14:42


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Have you gone to Amiga.Inc to get a licence ?




If I recall, they did that a long time ago, before Hyperion was even in the picture. The terms were not agreeable, from what I have heard on the various forums. But, I am hearing this 3rd hand.

Your way off the mark.

That was about useing MOS as AmigaOS PPC before Aos4.
There are more than one type of license Downix for more than one thing.

[Kronos]

@Alkemyst

BB allways said they would do anything expect signing that licence,
and looking at the law-suit about their DE-licence one should
easily understand that. So Genesi are offering their HW, but just
not their soul to AInc/Hyperion and if those think they will live
better with restricting themself to one HW-vendor.... well that
is their desicion not Genesi's.

[Alkemyst]

Poster: Kronos Date: 2003/3/9 18:50:19

@Alkemyst

BB allways said they would do anything expect signing that licence,
and looking at the law-suit about their DE-licence one should
easily understand that. So Genesi are offering their HW, but just
not their soul to AInc/Hyperion and if those think they will live
better with restricting themself to one HW-vendor.... well that
is their desicion not Genesi's.

You make it sound as Amiga.inc are takeing Genesi to court.

Why should Genesi be allowed to dodge the license.

Well genesi knows the terms so if they dont like it they get nothing simple as that.

[Skyraker]

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lol

[samface]

we tried to work out a suitable agreement for both parties many, many times -- all directly and all privately.

You really make things sound so complicated but I really don't see the problem. You talk about their terms beeing unrealistic and impossible to work with. Then may I ask you; unless what I'm about to write is untrue, which are the specific details about these terms that are unrealistic and impossible to work with:

1. Any PPC hardware manufacturer or distributor is free to apply for AmigaOS4 support and a license to use the AmigaOne label with their product. AFAIK, Hyperion themselves even applied for a Pegasos but never recieved one.

2. If the ROM issue would be a problem, they have said that just about any alternative solution can be made, such as a USB dongle for example.

I mean, is it really that hard to get AmigaOS4 support for the Pegasos? You know, it's funny how eager you seem to get AmigaDE support for your Pegasos (even trying to sue Amiga Inc. over it) but not AmigaOS4 support. Weren't you supposed to be working for the best interest of the "community"?

Furthermore, are you saying Amiga Inc. didn't offer you (bPlan) the same opportunity to become the official AmigaOS4 developers as Hyperion? Are you saying Amiga Inc. gave Hyperion a better offer than you got? I find it pretty hard to believe.

Now stop this stupid "they are the ones making it difficult to cooperate" attitude because it's bullocks. YOU are the ones making it hard to cooperate, YOU are the ones splitting the community, YOU are the ones parasiticly marketing your products on someone else's brand, YOU are the ones getting one step closer to beeing the reason for the fall of the Amiga market and the community for each day that passes.

Just my not so humble opinion and completely without care wether people find me to be a troll or not...

[redrumloa]

Just my not so humble opinion and completely without care wether people find me to be a troll or not...

It's a circle that goes around and around, can we not start that circle again please?

[downix]

@samface

And who told you that?  Bill spend months e-mailing Hyperion trying to get AOS4 onto the Pegasos, feeling it would sell a few hundred more boards, and Hyperion is the one that failed to respond.

And the MorphOS guys were offered the same deal as Hyperion and wisely turned it down.  If you had any business sence you would have too.

[Argo]

@Samface & Downix:

Cool it. This have been beaten to death over and over. I don't think any one expect the situation to change. So, either dicuss the article or take it else where. I don't want to see another pointless circular argument.

Argo
News and Links Moderator

[whabang]

*sigh*

@bbrv ( and everyone else )
Is there any release date for the *final*, stable, 1.0 version of MorphOS ( or have I allready missed it? :-) )

@Wayne
Good! This site deserves support.

[samface]

Cool it. This have been beaten to death over and over. I don't think any one expect the situation to change. So, either dicuss the article or take it else where. I don't want to see another pointless circular argument.

So please give me an appropriate answer then. Yes, this has been beaten to death with counter attacks on Amiga Inc., personal attacks on the person asking the questions, etc. But NEVER with an appropriate answer to the initial question asked. I dare you to point out one occation where an appropriate answer to these concerns has been given and I will stand corrected.

If you define someone repeatedly asking the same questions as a troll, then yes that's what I am. It's a pointless remark since my questions still remain unanswered.

[bbrv]

Hi Sammy, just post your question here and as we have been doing with you for weeks we will answer your questions.  Simple.

:-D

Raquel and Bill  :-)

[samface]

just post your question here and as we have been doing with you for weeks we will answer your questions. Simple.

The questions are already there, in black & white. Just read and reply. Simple.

[otpsoft]

What problems BB ..... I have both A1 G3-SE and A1-XE and I have no problems with either.
Still waiting on the Pegasos that my son ordered though !!!!

[ikir]

Go go go! We are back and we are kicking asses :-P

[samface]

And who told you that? Bill spend months e-mailing Hyperion trying to get AOS4 onto the Pegasos, feeling it would sell a few hundred more boards, and Hyperion is the one that failed to respond.

That's not the story I heard from Ben Hermans in the forums of ANN.lu. Please don't ask me to find the URL, just ask anyone of the regulars of Amiga online forums and they'll probably confirm. This is not a fairy tale but a very true story which not even bbrv can deny. The real question is, where did YOU hear THAT?

And the MorphOS guys were offered the same deal as Hyperion and wisely turned it down. If you had any business sence you would have too.

Alright mr. Business Expert, are you saying Hyperion made a bad business decision when they decided to take over the AmigaOS4 development? If not, why would it be such a bad business decision for Genesi/bPlan/The MorphOS Team?

[bbrv]

Hi Sammy, forget it.  From earlier in this thread:

The "thread wars" are over.  We need to work.  Our future is on the road ahead.  We can see where we are going and know how to get there.

Hi otpsoft, please see the ANN thread: Terra Soft removes Teron-based PowerPC mainbaord from their Online Store, Comment 75 of 99 in response to Ben Hermans:

"From this day forward you are on your own.  Do your best.  We will not have anything to say about you, your Company, or your project.  You stick to your work and we will stick to ours.  One day if you need help give us a call.  This offer also stands for anyone working on your project.  We would be pleased to be working with many of them."

For the final details and our last comment on the subject can be found on MorphOS-News in the thread PPC Mainboards: Terra Soft removes Teron-based PowerPC mainbaord from their Online Store.

That should close the subject and we can all get back to work.  :-D

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill    :-)