Midgets Go to War: Genesi sues Amiga Inc.

[redrumloa]

@jumpship

Well IMO it would be fine if everyone would be light hearted about it. Unfortunately it always degrades into name calling and accusations. I'm talking about end users!! That's sad.

@Kronos

You like the new avatar? I was thinking of you when I made it :-D

[DanDude]

@Frodon  (1st comment)

OK, tell me why did they go back and rewrite all their code to be all AmigaOS-free?

@all
What breach of contract?  Does anyone have a URL of this contract, please?

[Senex]

OS 4 is a big threat to Genesi....

Certainly not, since it's not here yet - and won't still for some time...

But what of course is a bit annoying is the already mentioned repeated FUD by AI & partners about the legality of MorphOS. Since there are several potential customers and especially developers who just hesitate to commit themselves to Genesi's products because they're afraid of possible later law-suits by AI once they'd have invested money, time or IP into such products.

Anyway, all I want to say is that there's no reason for any moralizing howl about the "bad, bad Genesi" taking the "poor, little AI" to court. As someone else already said: they asked for it themselves already by their repeated FUD...

[blubbe]

OK, tell me why did they go back and rewrite all their code to be all AmigaOS-free?

Try: Why did they write the parts missing to be able
to function without any *binary* AmigaOS code ?

Hmm.. how could it be put simpler..
There was no AmigaOS code in their code, but
the AmigaOS binaries where used (like on Amithlon
or UAE). To not be dependant on theese binaries
they wrote them from scratch (like AROS).

[MarkTime]

@Kronos
(edited cause I didn't read the first post correctly! duh)

 I posted in another thread, the 800mhz G4 TeronPX motherboard is now being list at terrasoft for$499 with bulk discounts available and a mid feb. release date.

Whereas the pre-order for the exact same configuration in an AmigaOne is $879 at softhut, and the pegasos, is $499 at pegasos-usa.com but that is for the G3 model not the G4!

 BBRV was hugely worried about Terrasoft a few months ago....and rightly so.

Without OS 4 or some big win for MorphOS as the clear nextgen OS...then I think genesi is in for some tough times...

They lost the linux market, if they lose the amiga market, they don't have  a market.

[HyperionMP]

I invite you to check the Commdore patent portfolio now held by Gateway.

I subsequently invite you to examine any AmigaOS derivative.

Without these patents which cover extremely basic functionality which everybody takes for granted in AmigaOS, there can be nothing ressembling AmigaOS.

You'll find that there are countless infringements of these patents to which Amiga hold an exclusive license from Gateway.

I'm just using this as an example because this information is available to everybody through the US Patent Office.

[MarkTime]

I have to edit this one too, today is just not my day.
Anyway, its up to Gateway to enforce their own patents...I doubt its up to Amiga, Inc.

And the usual arguments (which are often quite valid) will be made, which is the patents are no longer valid, they were issued in error, they are unenforcable...

with no one around trying to test these issues in court, who knows....its all academic...morphOS is perfectly legal, de facto, if not de jure

[jumpship]

@red

Well IMO it would be fine if everyone would be light hearted about it.

I have to agree, when I came back into the "communtity" about 2 years or so ago (before I found A.org too) I used to get caught up in the wars (OS4 was the only way). But now I just think "hay life is too short to be throwing my dummy out over some bit of vaporware" (sorry HyperionMP but it is until I can buy it for my A1200+BPPC (hint hint nudge nudge ;-) :-D) ). So now I just sit back, ignore most of these sorts of threads, and you know what? I actually began to enjoy my Amiga again. ;-)

[System]

Enter of your own free will (and get immediately polarized to one stupid side or the other

and wayne's right in the middle....

hehehe    :-D

[System]

and that there aren't
getting 100% of the developers as long as OS4 still looks like
an option.

So if you don't get it all your way, sue the heck out of everyone.

HHHaaaa....

That's lame.

[Kronos]

So if you don't get it all your way, sue the heck out of everyone.  

Same thing (minus the actual law-suit) has been done by AInc
and Hyperion for the last 2 years or so...

[System]

Man, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Amiga Inc. hasn't said anything about anything for over a year now.

They've been working on thier projects the way they should be worked on.

Private.

I guess the silence was just eating Bill Buck to pieces.

Yesterday was yesterday.
Amiga seems to be a lot different than what they used to be.

Just my opinion though.

Amiga Inc. hasn't wanted anything from Genesi.
It's the other way around.

You're confused.

Furthermore...
Hyperion has never got involved with any of this.
What are you talking about?

[greenboy]

I think some people have missed a major point here: Genesi has simply made the community (such as it exists) aware that an action in fact has been filed. This is simply an announcement in the interest of informing everyone. It is neither a move to engage community opinion or shape it (like that would have any positive bearing on such a case) - nor is it threats in the form of a series of public postings that may or may not ever have been intended to be followed up on.

As no major details have been released, I truly think that to be the simple purpose of the announcement. If given to further supposition, I would guess that all other avenues have been privately exhausted to handle matters outside of court, as per contract(s). So perhaps legal action is the only thing left to guarantee resolution one way or another.

[MarkTime]

@greenboy,

I was aware of this for a month...I don't remember all the details, but it was a posting by bbrv that told me it was going to happen.  I certainly don't have insider knowledge.

how can you say no opinion is being shaped?  Heck, its well known Genesi seeks mindshare in this community...developer support, user support, etc.  Nothing wrong with that.  In fact, that part is endearing about them.

maybe they are a little quiet today on all the details...maybe we'll know why when we get the details....

but they haven't been quiet the past few months, even speaking out on legal matters.

[amigamad]

I think ill wait for the facts before commenting .

[zacman]

>I invite you to check the Commdore patent portfolio
>now held by Gateway.

I invite you to check the date of these patents.