Team AMIGA vote against lending name

[bhoggett]

Sorry Argo, the info on the page is still wrong (I remember having the same problem). You need to send the request to owlnet.net, not thule.no.

(A bit of playing around sending requests to the majordomo lists would show you that, but the info should be fixed anyway.)

[Argo]

People shouldn't have to waste there time playing around sending request to servers to find something just because someone can't be bothered to correct the information on the page. No wonder Team Amiga is so small....



I say we all join...

[bhoggett]

Can't speak for ANN, or anyone else. I personally was peeved by Wayne's comment, and was replying only to that. Wayne came across as "yeah stick it to Amiga Inc"

I don't think that's what Wayne meant. I read it as saying that he respected their fortidude and integrity in making their own decision and not being swayed by outside pressure to conform. I have to say I agree.

That doesn't change my impression that it is a peculiar thing to do, to deny permission to an apparently larger Amiga community, who apparently were ignorant of the real Team AMIGA, and liked the name from a logo design.

Look it doesn't matter if there were only two people in Team AMIGA, they still have more right to the name than the rest of the "community" who've only just decided they'd like to have something that doesn't belong to them. Nothing strange about that at all, except that the name should never have been entered as a candidate in the first place.

They don't owe the community an explanation, but neither did the community owe them the flattery of asking them for the name, eh?

ROTFL!

Flattery??

Isn't the "community" getting a little carried away with its sense of self-importance here?  I don't see why a team whose name has been entered without their consent should feel flattered when they are asked to give it up as a consequence.

[System]

@bhoggett:

What, there was outside pressure on Team AMIGA? The designer of the T-shirt knew there was an active Team AMIGA and chose that name anyway? I haven't read about this, and I'd really like to.

I would gladly take back what I've said, given new in formation. I mean, before this vote, I didn't know there was a Team AMIGA organization of any sort, active or otherwise. It was a complete shock to me, and apparently to a lot of amiga.org members, from what I read here.

If there wasn't outside pressure, or if the designer didn't know... then I'm sorry, I just can't see your point at all.

[gary_c]

The designer of the T-shirt knew there was an active Team AMIGA and chose that name anyway? I haven't read about this, and I'd really like to.

The designer of the T-shirt apparently wasn't aware of an existing Team Amiga. When he posted here about the design, I replied that there was already a Team Amiga and maybe he'd have to check with Gary Peake about using the name. He said he appreciated the info and would check into it.

Team Amiga isn't very visible, existing only as a mailing list, and I haven't seen the sig much except maybe for Skal Loret's. They had a plan to do a web site, which I was involved with in the early stages, but nothing came of it. If and when the desktop OS starts looking interesting again, maybe they'll go for it, but my impression from the ML is that it's mostly an old boys' (and a few girls') club more interesting in making small talk than putting together advocacy web sites. No offense meant, of course. A nice little community ML is good in itself, and among those people there's a long-standing strong attachment to the Team Amiga name.

-- gary_c

[System]

Wayne, if that's not at all what you meant, I'm sorry; that's just how it came across, and continues to come across, each time I read it.

That's not what I meant at all, and your reaction is a very status quo part of the big reason I am seriously considering finding something better to do with my time and money these days.

What I meant was that I salute Team Amiga (regardless of their size or whatnot) for approaching things in this manner.  Let's face it, the way they took a vote, then announced that they would rather Amiga Inc not take the name is a damned site better than what we've seen from the likes of other groups and "companies" lately.  

I find it rather refreshing actually and I wish more entities around the Amiga would take such a civil and elegant approach to their activities.

Besides, you (other responses) mock Team Amiga for their "46 votes" but think about one thing.  It only takes one person with a loud voice to make life uncomfortable on a Web site forum.  Team Amiga's entire purpose in life was to be vocal.  Steal their name and Team Amiga members would crawl out of the woodwork with baseball bats in hand.  

Team Amiga may be "a joke" (or at least started that way) but they are DOING SOMETHING.  Remove that and Amiga Inc run the risk of making enemies of some of the most vocal Amiga supporters left in this fractured little community.

[Desmon]

I was one of the first Team Amiga members when Rick Lembree (Rick, you're still missed, but I'm glad you don't have to see what has become of us ) started the "movement" as an countermove to the Team OS/2 movement that was trying to promote, eh OS/2...

/me raises hand.... I was there.

When Rick passed away and Gary Peake took over and tried to setup a mailing list or 2, I found myself with bad Fido acces and Internet access so I never really was able to follow Team Amiga after Rick died..

a message to majordomo@owlnet.net with a subject of "subscribe teamamiga" will get you there. (IIRC)

I must say I'm surpised that so few Team Amiga members voted or thast so few are left.. Hmm I wonder if Miss Fido; moderator of the Amiga Fido group is still using her Amy.. Anybody here know Asha Develder ?

TBH, I dropped the ML a long time ago. (Got fed up with the gun debate) But I took over moderating the echo when Asha offered. I passed that job back to Z1 and Todd Sullivan over a year ago. Last I heard of Asha she was u
sing AmigaForever on a laptop and still on the TA ML.

[System]

They voted and chose not to give up the name - thats fine. But why is that any better than if they had chosen to do so? (No offense, Im just wondering.)

edit:
"... are doing something ..." Well, what are they doing now? Havent heard of Team Amiga in a long while.

[Rodney]

Suggestion: Throw away the name - i never liked it that much anyway, sounded too ... old? Anyway, the logo is good, simple and easy to pyt on anything and it should scale well (nice and round).

So keep the Logo, but maybe we should come up with a name now?

Of course, that all depends on what the majority of people actualy voted for. The "look" the "sound" or both. Maybe we should just go to the second placer? They had a greate design, and was leading only a week before the competition finished!

[SilvrDrgn]

I never even knew that a vote was going on.  If I would have known, I would have voted.  When was it announced and when was it going ??  (Probably while I was out of town on multiple business trips.)

[System]

That's not what I meant at all, and your reaction is a very status quo part of the big reason I am seriously considering finding something better to do with my time and money these days.

Okay, "vote that way" as in voting by that method, not as in acquiring that result. I read it completely wrong. I'm sorry.

[DaveP]

I agree, but what other names have they *taken* Wayne?

Considering who runs the ML I dont think its a shock that
Amiga Inc knew that there was a name clash way upfront.

[System]

I agree, but what other names have they *taken* Wayne?

The Amiga Developer Network for one.  The ADN was used by Amiga.org in 1997 to 2000 for our developer effort.  It is what became of the ICOA.  I was never asked whether they could take it, but then again, by the time they did, I couldn't care less.

[DaveP]

Cool. Now I know what you were talking about.

[System]

IMO a name like "Amiga Developer Network" should be used for official AmigaOS or AmigaDE developers.

It would be very strange if QSSL couldn't or shouldn't call their official Developer Network "the QNX Developers' Network" just because a community website decided to use a similar name as well.

IMO the name "Team Amiga" is very different as it simply relates to a club which could bear just about any Amiga related name.

[System]

Agreed, its not nice to lose a name one "imagined".

Otoh its only natural that the official Amiga developer network is named "Amiga Developer Network".