Amitopia interview Amiga Inc regarding MorphOS

[Alkemyst]

"I am afraid that the stuff that Amiga wanted them to sue about is taken care of by the MOS team. Maybe there is still some left that is illegal or is sueable but I am afraid this will be a case that drags on forever in court. And that will do no good."

well i  dont give a damn the fact if they did take stuff out to stay legal that means they are untrust worthy in the first place with all the crap with it was all coded safe from the start claims.

[xeron]

Hey guys! No amount of conjecture and arguing here will make the slightest bit of difference to the outcome. Drink a beer, relax, sit tight and wait.

Theres nothing you can do!

[Coder]

@Alkemyst

well i dont give a damn the fact if they did take stuff out to stay legal that means they are untrust worthy in the first place with all the crap with it was all coded safe from the start claims.

I feel the same. But I am a bit sad about the fact that it has to come to a lawsuit. All this legal crap. I mean look at Amithlon 2, delayed because of legall stuff. GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coder

[Alkemyst]

I feel the same. But I am a bit sad about the fact that it has to come to a lawsuit. All this legal crap. I mean look at Amithlon 2, delayed because of legall stuff. GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
yeah that was unexpected .

[Hammer]

I don’t think MorphOS camp has the financial muscle to match Gateway Inc...

[Hammer]

@Michal

But you should stop doing this.. Why cant Amiga go for the future, show that you are strong?
 I know this is a marked strategy to somewhat push MorphOS out. Its like Lindows for the PC marked. Its a competitor to Windows, but also RUN's Windows programs.

Win32 cloners wouldn’t worry being sue by MS, IF they clean code’s their OS.

Win32 cloners would be in trouble, IF they copied any MS code.  

“Lindows” naming battle is a different issue.

You should start to think like an Amiga user Bill.
?

This would be subjective assumption regarding to being an “Amiga user".

Amiga INC. writes:
We are not afraid of it. Our only issue is that it is has been created using illegally derived material that belongs to Amiga. If they had clean room developed it, there would be no issue.

If you notice the earlier statements, Amiga Inc has no problems with "clean room developed" code.

 If you have full believe in your work, then drop the case and go further.

Is that a good excuse for committing illegal acts (POV of Amiga Inc)?

We all know you should have the right to use Amiga, but MorphOS aint using Amigas name. I want both products on the marked, it will be a colourfull marked
?

A market that will result in Beta vs VHS  like war will not help the consumer in the long term.

Two path
1. AmigaOS 4.x path for long term view.
VS
2. MorphOS path for long term view.

Note that SUN doesn’t let any one deviate from their Java standard.   MS has paid a the price for thier recalcitrant actions.

and thats what we want, not another Commodore
 

I don't think Commodore's deployment model equals MS's style deployment model
 i.e.
1. With CBM, 1 OS Company(i.e. CBM) = 1 hardware vendor(i.e. CBM). Apple also uses this deployment model.
2. With Amiga Inc,1 OS Company(i.e. AInc) = multiple hardware vendor, due Alnc's multi-licensing regime.

keeping all secret and kinda forget what the userbase want.

This would be subjective assumption in regards to what user base wants.  

All companies has their trade secrets and know how. Companies invest in R&D to develop trade secrets and know how.

Being labelled a monopoly by Justice Department invokes a different sets of laws.

I wouldn’t be surprise if stupid US Justice Department and (the nine anti-MS US states) destroys their own US company’s dominance in the world market due to their narrow scope and pays the price for it.

[Hammer]

It's OUR (the users) market, and NOT AInc, Eyetechs, Hyperion or bPlan's market !! They all can deliever products to OUR market, but the don't own us, and we can decide ourself what we buy.

Don’t you realise if there are two identical products that do same thing yet with enough differences, the market may end up like  OS/2Warp** vs Win95** (or Beta Max VS VHS) wars?

**The battle of succession for Win16 standard. Both has their own different 32bit API path.
 
The consumer will lose in the long run (for OS/2Warp users in that case).

Personally, I Iike SUN’s model in regards to controling thier standard and sharing their standard with others.

[AmiGR]

Gateway doesn't give a #### about Amiga. They won't defend the name. It's Thendic/bPlan vs
Amiga Inc.

[Hammer]

4. Reverse engineering a product to make a compatible one IS legal to some extent.

Where does it state this?

2. Changing a program by 25% makes it eligible for a new copywrite... that doesn't refer to an individual subroutine but the work as a whole.

Depending on work's copyright conditions, “derive works” may be considered illegal by the copyright holder.

Just look in your Quake's license and copyright text file.

[Hammer]

Gateway doesn't give a #### about Amiga.

Do we know their intent?

They won't defend the name.

Do we know their intent?

Re-read my post carefully, I have not anything in regards to "defending".

Any inference made is due to your thinking...

[bhoggett]

Wrong. A user (buyer) may be in the market, but that market does not belong to him. Any more than the shop you go into to buy sweeties belongs to you.

I disagree with that analogy as well as Kronos' statement. The users don't own the market, they are the market. No one owns the market. Not the users, not the developers, not the IP and trademark owners, no one.

[Kronos]

I disagree with that analogy as well as Kronos' statement. The users don't own the market, they are the market.

O.k. your english is better than mine ;-)

The point is that WE decide, what we buy, and that is what
defines a market. If AInc or Thendic want to be a part of
that market they just have to deliever what WE want.

[whabang]

Gateway doesn't give a #### about Amiga.

No, but if they c an earn a few bucks from sueing BPlan, then?

[Herewegoagain]

Poster: whabang Date: 2002/8/7 14:18:47

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No, but if they c an earn a few bucks from sueing BPlan, then?

It's not even that.  If it involves Gateways patents, you better believe they will certainly defend it regardless the name.  Patents are not shoved aside because of the name involved.

[Kronos]

Patents ?

AFAIK is "right-mouse-pop-up-menu" the only AmigaOS-patent and that won't
be used in MOS_1.0 (don't ask me how menus will work).

Even if SW-patents don't count in europe (atleast a bit of common sense).

[Hammer]

The point is that WE decide, what we buy, and that is what

What you want may not reflect what the market wants.