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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #74 from previous page: May 11, 2009, 03:43:07 AM »
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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #75 on: May 11, 2009, 05:50:23 AM »
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@ Karlos,

Hi,

Why not use them for serious work


Lets see... Expensive, limited support for the kinds of things Karlos does during his day job. The constant threat of an application taking out the entire OS thanks to no memory protection... The fact that it would take several orders of magnitude longer to do the things he does (assuming it didn't develop hardware faults thanks to old age)... I could go on...

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, I trust my old A4000 for keeping my data more than I trust VISTA, and Windows XP.


I'll take a computer that isn't knocking on the door of 15 years old. One with a warrenty, one that I can get spare parts for readily that are new. One that allows me to interact with the internet in a meaningful way, something the Amiga ceased to be able to do a decade ago.

As a front line system, for me at least, the Amiga ended its service after 12 years in 2003. It was and is a fine machine in its own right, but it was never built with the internet in mind and it shows. I love them still, but I fondly remember the things it was actually good at.

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Ubuntu Linux, but even it had one surprise crash, when Windows Virus protection software saw Linux as a Virus and wiped it out. So I am counting that as a crash,


Windows wiping out a partition is not a crash by any known definition of the word. Ubuntu cannot be held responsible for the actions of another OS on the same disk.

You take massaging the figures to a whole new level.

So... DEAD. But not forgotten.
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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #76 on: May 11, 2009, 05:57:33 AM »
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bloodline wrote:
I'm dating a 20 year old


Just got to say: UTTER UTTER UTTER UTTER BA+++NO CARRIER

;-)

Damn connection, now, where was I...

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even the most geeky of her friends (some of whom are as old as 24) have no knowledge of the Amiga. The Amiga has passed out of living memory of the computer generation. The Amiga is dead...


Ok, now I really do feel old. Cheers buddy :-D

My one consolation is that you probably felt older when you realised that. :lol:

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I showed some of these youngsters my A1200 running, I got blank faces... And the odd comment that it looks a bit like Window95 but "flatter"...


I wonder how some of the more frothy amongst the old hardline amiganuts would have responded to the comparason :lol:


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This is the reality of Amiga.


Innit.
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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #77 on: May 11, 2009, 06:10:24 AM »
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No, the Amiga is a dead platform. There is no more development. It is technically static. Individual Computers make hardware that allws us to use the existing platform with modern technologies as the older ones disapear... This is just, for want of a better word, life-support... It is not driving the platform forward.


No more development? OS4, MOS2, AROS, Anubis, Natami, Minimig, OWB, Hollywood, Cinammon Writer, etc...


I'm simply in disbelief that this point even needed to be made -- but apparently it did (thanks).
 

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2009, 06:33:00 AM »
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No, the Amiga is a dead platform. There is no more development. It is technically static. Individual Computers make hardware that allws us to use the existing platform with modern technologies as the older ones disapear... This is just, for want of a better word, life-support... It is not driving the platform forward


Emphasis mine.
 
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No more development? OS4, MOS2, AROS, Anubis, Natami, Minimig, OWB, Hollywood, Cinammon Writer, etc...


OS4 development continues? Since when? Last I heard AROS was all but dead due to infighting between those wanting a direct 3.1 compatable OS replacement and those wanting to modernise the OS. Minimig is a nice way of continuing to play old games on new hardware - which is what Bloodline was getting at when he described it as life support. NatAmi... Until it ships I will place it in the same drawer as the coldfire accelerator project, the Abox, BoXeR and all the other stuff.

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The Amiga platform competes with nothing, is stuck with old technology and old concepts. In 10 years the Amiga will still be just the same... In 10 years Protools will be far in advance of what we have now!


Aparently you missed this Orb.

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I'm simply in disbelief that this point even needed to be made -- but apparently it did (thanks).


I'm simply in disbelief that you missed Bloodlines point -- but apparently you did.
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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2009, 06:41:11 AM »
It would be difficult to argue that OS4.0 or 4.1 (both of which have been released) is "life support," but I'm willing to listen to your otherworldly wisdom.
 

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2009, 06:45:48 AM »
Alive.

It can be used professionally again.
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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #81 on: May 11, 2009, 06:47:06 AM »
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Hi,

Amiga = Alive

Amiga Inc. = Dead
 


Well, Pentti Kouri = Dead so it seems that the main funding source for Amiga Inc. may be gone.  But is anyone here privy to the Amiga Inc. financial situation?  I've been looking for the big AMIGA.com auction on eBay.
 

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #82 on: May 11, 2009, 07:03:00 AM »
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It would be difficult to argue that OS4.0 or 4.1 (both of which have been released) is "life support," but I'm willing to listen to your otherworldly wisdom.


It's not really difficult to argue at all, 4.0 and 4.1 didn't bring anything new to the table, took longer to get out the door then the original OS did and were designed to run on a piece of hardware which (and I'm being VERY generous here) had a significantly poorer quality control then what it was supposedly replacing. Worse still, was only ever in production for... well about an hour, after which the manufacturer realised their mistake and promptly killed themselves.

In order for something to be said to move the Amiga forward, it would have to improve upon what was available, to build upon it. The OS itself was so late that by the time it came out most of the community had upped sticks and left for pastures new and those that remained either couldn't afford to get the new hardware to run it on or, even if they did were left with lame duck systems. Frighteningly few people got new gear, an order of magnitude more people left the community in the mean time.

Not to mention the PR disaster that came out when it became clear that the issues were well known, but actively suppressed. It was by any measure an unmitigated disaster!

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #83 on: May 11, 2009, 07:05:46 AM »
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Alive.

It can be used professionally again.


Care to cite a situation where an Amiga could do a job at least as well as even a £160(Comet) Aspire A1 netbook?
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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2009, 07:20:55 AM »
Sorry the_leander, but it's absurd to argue that OS4 or MOS is life support (and you still have not done so).  Despite your impressive pessimism, there is much excitement and demand within the Amiga community.  Have you not noticed?
 

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2009, 07:28:11 AM »
RETRO

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Life begins at 100 MIPS!


Nice Ports on AmiNet!
 

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2009, 07:45:04 AM »
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Sorry the_leander, but it's absurd to argue that OS4 or MOS is life support (and you still have not done so).  Despite your impressive pessimism, there is much excitement and demand within the Amiga community.  Have you not noticed?


Yep, all 15 of us... :)
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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2009, 07:56:47 AM »
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Sorry the_leander, but it's absurd to argue that OS4 or MOS is life support (and you still have not done so).


I'm sorry, you specifically stated OS4 and 4.1, not MOS. I'll deal with MOS later.

Back in 98 we had the release of a huge amount of top quality software, imho some of the best Amiga software ever released came out, we had announcements of a roadmap, new OS releases and a reasonable timeframe for patches as and when they became necessary we had active and innovative hardware development (PPC and BlizzardVisionPPC). Then around 2000 we got told, that after all the crap we had endured, we were all finally going to get a bridge to the future - the AmigaOne. First designed as an addon board for an A1200 - it would litterally use the 1200 for ports and that's about it, it was sold on the basis that it would litterally be a means to transfer over a more mainstream design.

It was quietly dropped.

By mid 2001 the Aone that many of us grew to love reared its ugily head in the form of the SE (a piece of hardware so braindamaged that rumour has it that the engineer and his entire family committed suicide in shame over it). It was at the time underpowered and grossly overpriced, even comparing it against Apple hardware! But hey, it was still *something* and with the promise of OS4, most people held their tongues.

Then a glorious day, about a week before the release of the new OS... Alan from Eyetech had to announce that contrary to what Amiga.inc had been telling us regarding the development timescale, nothing had been touched for 6 months. At this time there were around 150-200,000 active amiga users. We were then sold the XE and the miniA1 to quench our thirst.

Then we had the T Shirt scam and the later admission that the AmigaOnes that were being sold were actually pretty much scrap and that the distributers and A Inc not only knew about it, but actively shut down discussion in one of the main Amiga forums regarding any or all issues with the broken hardware. Lets avoid the fact that the kit was sold illegally (no warranty).

All of this, as well as the subsiquent drama contributed to people leaving the community in droves. By the time OS4 actually shipped to the public, there were maybe 700 functional Amigaones left in existance and not a great many more Phase5/DCE PPC cards.

So, from 150-200,000 Amiga users to maybe 1500 AmigaOS4 users and possibly as many as 10,000 Amiga users total (I'm being generous here) today.

Explain to me, in what way has OS4 moved the community forward?

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there is much excitement and demand within the Amiga community.  Have you not noticed?


Compared to 2000, when we were first given the promise (lie) of OS4 and AmigaOne, the volume is barely audible.

You're being offered significantly less, for substantially more then what was supposed to be on the table nearly a decade ago.

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2009, 07:57:44 AM »
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Sorry the_leander, but it's absurd to argue that OS4 or MOS is life support (and you still have not done so).  Despite your impressive pessimism, there is much excitement and demand within the Amiga community.  Have you not noticed?


Yep, all 15 of us... :)


Hey, you have to be off by a factor of at *least* ...Ummm... 10 or 20. ;-)
 

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Re: POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?
« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2009, 08:52:01 AM »
Hobby  -  that is the word