Steve Jobs: G4 is slower than Intel CPUs

[zacman]

>in fact Marvell Discovery is only designed for G3s,
>that it works with G4s is in incidence of
>compatibility

This is nonsense. The Discovery is being promoted
by Motorola as prefered system controller for the G4
and Motorola uses the Discovery on their own
evaluation boards.

[bloodline]

plexus wrote:
Why, why, why, why???
eg:
Why is Morphos much faster on 600 Mhz PPC cpu than WindowsXP on 3000 Mhz intel cpu?

Because you can not just look at the CPU power, you must count the whole system together to get a good speed.

Motherboard,cpu, harddrive and Operating system all this together can give you a system that is good enought for you!
Thats why I Bought AmigaOne

While I agree that a nice responsive operating system is good, and certainly one of my main reasons for advocating the Amigoid OS's. But you raelly can't just look at the responsivness of the OS as an indication of the "power" of the machine...

If you want to run software synthesizers (for example), then a 2Ghz CPU (G5, Athlon, P4, whatever) is going to work much better than a 600Mhz CPU.

I will put up with a bloated unresponsive OS, if it means that I have the number crunching power of a 2000 number crunching horses... :-)

[MarkTime]

The Amiga market and Apple.....hmmm well we are all on the same planet, so there's a beginning to some similarities.

of course it will be an advantage to Genesi and Amiga to be competitive at some point.

Buying a top of the line AmigaONE is sad compared to a top of the line Dual 2ghz apple G5.

If you are going for cheap, then you won't get the fastest, buts thats when paying 800 dollars for a 933 mhz machine becomes a bit sad, when for that price, you could have gotten one heck of a fast and fully loaded athlon system.

[Rogue]

Why AmigaOne still use the old slow G4?

Do you have any idea about the pricepoint of a 970?

Why IBM had to fire the employees, if their
products are faster and better than Intel CPUs?

SuSE Germany also had to lay off some employees. Why does a Linux company need to fire people when everyone knows that Linux is better than windows?

IBM is a big company, and doing much more than just CPU's.

[legion]

Folks, lets be rational.  Neither OS4 or MOS can even utilize the full power of the 32bit G4 yet.  As far as I know or have heard, there are no code op's for SIMD in *either* OS.  Neither OS's are mature yet, and while utilizing a G5 would make certain app's run faster, the price simply cannot be justified yet.  
My avatar is simply wishful thinking.  

It's kind of like putting perfume on a pig:  pointless.

Personally, I'm waiting for the A1 Lite.  According to the OS4 roadmap, there won't be much of a reason to buy a G4 until OS4.2 (go hyperion! :-D ) , so I'll wait until then to invest a large chunk of change into an Amiga power system.  

[Seehund]

asian1 wrote:

Why AmigaOne still use the old slow G4? [instead of the PPC970]

It could perhaps have something to do with the non-existence of the G5 in 2001 when the ArticiaS and the Teron debuted, and thus the Terons simply cannot support such a beast... But that's just my speculation.

Why IBM had to fire the employees, if their
products are faster and better than Intel CPUs?

If you're talking about the G5, it's slower than what Intel offers. If it's "better" on the whole is of course a question of the intended application of the CPU, among whatever other factors you may want to consider.
Did IBM fire people because of the PPC970's relative slowness and high price compared to x86? Remember that they do offer other products and services too.

[DeQuevedo]

Hi Dudes

Ok, so, the G4 i slow.

Well, I want mine NOW! :hammer:

Stop this crazyness. AmigaOS (or MorphOS) running on G4 CPU have to FLY -literally-

Our OSes are better than theirs, so in this subject, less is more.

[cdfr]

People want a G5 to be as fast / faster than x86 but have no application to take advantage of it ...

What apps are you using on a regular basis taking advantage of the speed of a G5 over a G3/G4 ?

First we need to get such applications in native PPC.

[dslcc]

asian1 wrote:
Hello
On today BBC Business Report, Steve Jobs said:
"Once Motorola PowerPC G4 is faster than
Intel X86 CPU, but now Intel had leapfrogged
Motorola. {/quote]

I love statements like G4 is faster than X86....which G4 and which X86?  :-D

[Mika]

Loosing common sense...G4 slow???...
Is it slow for running the OS or what?
And how do we measure the speed of a computer
system anyway?

[AmigaMac]

The big reason I'm so harsh on PowerPC is because I really hate proprietary hardware, in general.  With so few choices in that market, you just have to take what's there.  Hardware is only a means to an end.

What do you mean PowerPC is so proprietary?  I guess you can go down to your Local Radio Shack, but some silicon wafers and a few transistors and make your own homegrown x86 CPU?  How absurd!

Software is what matters.  Why people absolutely kill themselves just so they have the novelty of using "non Intel" hardware is beyond me.

Everything matters, not just software.  And people don't go out of their way to buy 'non Intel' based hardware.  Some people actually do give a rats arse about the hardware as much as the software.  I personally think PowerPC is technically better than x86 (though that's my own opinion on the subject).

Some people prefer commodity over quality... and vice versa!  The same goes for some people driving Chevys and Fords, while others are driving Hondas and Toyotas.  Preferences differ on what that particular individual requires.

You're short-sighted reasoning above almost contradicts what Amigans have been fighting for all this time.  It would be like me asking why are all these Amiga freaks so hell bent on using 'non-Microsoft' software?  Because they have a preference on what they believe is a better solution for their own wants and/or needs, PERIOD!

[dammy]

by cdfr on 2003/9/17 12:19:35

People want a G5 to be as fast / faster than x86 but have no application to take advantage of it ...

Problem is the difference between desktop CPU and server CPU is blurring quickly.  970 maybe able to keep in the general power level of the x86-64, but I can't see how it's going to achieve and maintain any type of relative lead over the x86-64 family's bang:buck ratio.   Even Opteron 840 pricing levels are dropping back down to earth (now $745 when it was over $2,200 a few weeks ago).  Opteron 240s are ~$253.

Why do I have the feeling that is Apple's sudden boasting of speed will revert within a year, back to "speed doesn't matter" once again?

Dammy

[Karlos]

Slower or not, lets just see OS4 and MOS running on 933MHz G4 systems and sit them side by side with XP or 2003 on the fastest x86 you can find...

Obviously for processor intensive work there's no contest but I've seen my OS3.5 on my 040 be more responsive than my friends AlthonXP 2800 many occasions :-)

[JetFireDX]

"You're short-sighted reasoning above almost contradicts what Amigans have been fighting for all this time."

What Amigans have been fighting for? Do you mean to say that all Amigans wanted the PPC over the x86? I for one did not and still to this day loath the fact the Ainc decided to go that route instead of just using what was readily available and cheaper when considering price/performance. Also I am obviously not alone otherwise a project like AROS would never have gotten off the ground, to not only bring an Amiga like OS to the x86 but many other platforms as well.

Choosing to support the x86 for OS4 would have ticked off a lot of people out there who have PPC's in their classics, but the vast majority of Amigas never were and never will be equipped with a PPC and having to buy a new proprietary PPC motherboard is not what I consider progress over what was already available for classic Amiga's. Amiga WAS a hardware/software combination...but that died a long time ago and I wish they would have let it be and just moved it on as a Software only concept instead of wasting resources chasing the dream of another "Amiga" as a machine. A wonderfully crafted OS like AmigaOS can make up for the x86's shortcomings as I have seen with AROS which is who I choose to support.

[redrumloa]

Why AmigaOne still use the old slow G4?

In general I'd have to say these companies (Genesi & MAI/Eyetech/Hyperion) have to take incremental steps. Even the G3 600 in my Pegasos running MOS is countless times faster than my old A3000/060! you have to look at it that way.

if you start looking at it any other way you won't justify the purchase. Aren't we here because we want just that? A faster Amiga-ish experience?

[Thematic]

@jetfiredx:

AROS is and should be separate from AmigaOS, shouldn't you be content that there are so many alternatives? There are many benefits to both approaches, which I won't go into now, but I happen to put more emphasis on the PPC side of things.