Installing older versions of things in Linux

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
This is one of the reasons why I think the os should have a change. It's way too rigid. A relational database file system would be much nicer.

I don't really understand that but I'm sure you're right ;-)

Well, the current filesystem structure is hierarchy based, which means there's one way to access a file. With a relational filesystem there would be more.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
Probably not possible, since I can't boot to anything except the netinstall environment.

It's always possible, of course, but you might be needing to flash things using a serial port.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Or you could -very illegaly- change the dirname, I don't think there are much consequences to that.

Ok I did that and the errors about modules.dep went away. But still no USB :-()

And you can't find a log or something like that anywhere?
I can't help you much this way...

[motorollin]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, the current filesystem structure is hierarchy based, which means there's one way to access a file. With a relational filesystem there would be more.

Do you mean it could check the database for the location of modules.dep and find it regardless of which directory it's in?

[motorollin]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

motorollin wrote:
Ok I did that and the errors about modules.dep went away. But still no USB :-()

And you can't find a log or something like that anywhere?
I can't help you much this way...

Maybe, but I wouldn't know where to look. My knowledge of Linux was never great, and is really rusty now.

However, I actually got the Ubuntu 8.04 netinstall image to boot whereas it just hung before, so I'll try this and see if USB works.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, the current filesystem structure is hierarchy based, which means there's one way to access a file. With a relational filesystem there would be more.

Do you mean it could check the database for the location of modules.dep and find it regardless of which directory it's in?

You wouldn't be needing directories anymore.
You could also have one file having in multiple 'directories'
I mean, we have music libraries with musician, composer, time of performance/composition, we have libraries of videos (with director, soundtrack etc.), we have games... everything is data and the concept of relational data is to keep data integrity, and thereby, referential integrity.

[motorollin]

Ok, Ubuntu 8.04 gives me USB support, but no vfat in the kernel :pissed: Tried to 'modprobe vfat' and got a similar error about modules.dep being missing, but this time in a directory in /lib/modules which didn't even exist! Created a symlink to an existing directory and rebooted. This time 'modprobe vfat' gave me an error of 'invalid module format'.

This is becoming way too much effort now...

Edit - networking doesn't work either :madashell:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
This is becoming way too much effort now...

You should have known beforehand.

[motorollin]

Yes I should... I've posted on PowerDeveloper as it seems some others had problems with networking on the EFIKA.

[motorollin]

Well, it turns out the errors regarding modules.dep were related to the problems with vfat and networking support. Peter Czanik suggested in this thread that I make a new boot image using mkvmlinuz. I did that and it's all working now :banana:

I haven't installed VLC yet... I daren't try until tomorrow :lol:

[motorollin]

Well, I installed VLC and have the same problem in Ubuntu as I had in Debian :lol:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
Well, it turns out the errors regarding modules.dep were related to the problems with vfat and networking support. Peter Czanik suggested in this thread that I make a new boot image using mkvmlinuz. I did that and it's all working now :banana:

I haven't installed VLC yet... I daren't try until tomorrow :lol:

Nice1 :-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
Well, I installed VLC and have the same problem in Ubuntu as I had in Debian :lol:

Oh, still the libc-dev error?
libc-dev seems to me *quite* a common library, so I wonder if it's not something else that has the hickup.

[motorollin]

Actually I haven't tried compiling it yet. I just installed it with apt, and hoped that the version in the Ubuntu repository would work since Ubuntu seems to be a more polished distro. Sadly, exactly the same problem.

I'll try installing gcc and compiling VLC later on and let you know how I get on.

[motorollin]

Ok, under Ubuntu 8.04 libc-dev installed without any problems. VLC is now configuring. Fingers crossed!

[motorollin]

Ugh, it's whinging about a missing header for ffmpeg now. Installing ffmpeg doesn't help, and there's no such package as ffmpeg-dev. I give up!