So what does the community want

[amigadave]

Peace on Earth!

Then,

Natami

MoprhOS released for all MacMini's

SAMflex released with AmigaOS4.x at a reasonable cost

Completion of the Clone-A to run the Minimig core at 100% Amiga compatibility

And for next year (Ha, like all, or any of the above will be done in the next 4 weeks),

Redesign of the Minimig to reduce the size further and fit it into the base of a high quality joystick and have it commercially sold to hundreds of thousands, which would get us maybe 5 new people interested in becoming regular Amiga users.

MorphOS released for ALL PPC G4 & G5 Mac computers fully optimized to take advantage of the G5 and multiple cores & CPUs.

Having Amiga Inc. realize that they have done nothing for the Amiga community, and that their efforts have nothing to do with, or are in any way related to the Amiga.  Then have them give up on their lawsuits, admit that Hyperion is now the legal owner of the AmigaOS and IP, decide to change their name and move on to their eventual bankruptcy and collapse.

Having the Hyperion & AmigaOS4.x team realize that porting to the PPC Mac's is the quickest, easiest and most powerful solution for future AmigaOS4.x hardware, until they have time to port to x86/64bit.

OR,

Having the Natami become so powerful and fast and able to use modern storage and interface, networking components, that all AmigaOS4.x and MorphOS2.x and Classic Amiga users will come together behind one platform and create new, exciting applications, games and utilities, like the good old days.

[Lorraine]

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[Trev]

The Amiga "brand" is just that. It could be called Taco for all I care, since slapping "Amiga" on any old thing doesn't make it an Amiga. (Just like slapping Linux on any old thing doesn't turn it into an Aston Martin. *sigh* If only....)

The Minimig is cool, but I'm not really interested in another game system--UAE does that well enough. Netami is a nice idea. An ATX form factor replacement for the A1200 mainboard would be cool, but I guess it would make using busboards funky. Still, it could work well enough with accelerators or even have one on board.

[Belial6]

I want a 100% or at least close to 100% Amiga 500 hardware and kickstart 1.3/AmigaOS 1.3 compatible computer that is not beholden to a single company.  We have the hardware.  We now just need the kickstart/OS.  (Anybody heard anything about the kickstart replacement bounty that was assigned?)

Once that is accomplished, I will be happy.  I will be happy AND want an A1200/A4000/AXXXX OS 2.0/3.1/3.9 system that is also open.  If we had that, I think that Amigas...Well, actually MiniMig would have a firm hold in the hobbiest market.

Once that was done, I would be estatic, and would want to see what those same people would bring to the next generation.

Basically, I want an A500 followed by progress.  I know that an A500 doesn't compete powerwise with the latest and greatest PCs, but I'm not really interested in that.  I bought a C64 in a joystick, even though I could emulate the C64 on my PC for free.  I bought Pacman in a joystick even though I could have emulated it on my PC for free.  Form factor matters.  I have many games in more than one form factor.  Heck, I have Pacman in a joystick, on Mame, on Gametap, on the 2600, on the PSX, on the PS2 on the XBOX, and on the Wii.  The form factor plays a large part in where I play it.

Yes, I could emulate the A500 on a PC.  I do in fact.  But, I also have a MiniMig.  I will likely get a CloneA when it comes out.  I will definitely be getting the upgrade board for my C-One.

[Krischan76]

Leave me in peace with all that mainstream x86 crap! I want to be different, I want custom chips and all that. Maybe this means to be a little more expensive and have quite a few GB and GHz less than all the rest.

Personally, I would like the Natami to be finished, but as time goes by this sounds like the usual Amiga fairytale reloaded.

[amigadave]

Lorraine wrote:
@ amigadave

Don't ask for much do ya? :lol:

I have always said, "If you are going to dream, dream BIG!"

They are free and usually don't hurt anyone.   :-D

[AeroMan]

I would like to see something as amazing as the Amiga was at it´s time. This is the new Amiga for me: "Revolution!" (Desert Dreams)

...and no, I don´t believe that this will happens  :-( Computers, like cars, are all the same cr@p now. Creativity died in favour of "please sell it quick and easy". There is no chance for Tuckers now, just plastic stuff that looks and feels all the same.

What I expect to see (sooner or later):

-AROS getting better, and running a decent browser
-Something nice from the Anubis guys
-OS4 running in better and/or cheaper hardware. But I bet it will not be up an up to date machine
-Same thing for MOS
-An AGA Minimig
-More FPGA Amigas. Maybe with brand new features
-Hope...

[Troika]

You wish for little?

I'd be happy to find a decent FPGA designer, or two


 ;-)

[stefcep2]

@chuckT re:programming

you make a good point, but what programming language would you use?  In the 80's BASIC was easy to learn but very slow.  So if you want to write games, that's out.  So then you have to learn something more complicated, and who wants that apart from those interested in programming, rather than those interested in art or animation or music. If you want to create art or animations then think how hard and time consuming it would be to program something I can do easily in Dpaint or Scala.  if you want to program art and music and animations, special effects then people have been doing this on Amiga since 1985 and in large numbers: they're called "demos".

what do i want?  i want a computer that puts me in control  and does what i want when i want it to.  AmigaOS is the closest that i have experienced.  If it were ported to affordable hardware that would be enough.  by affordable it doesn't have to the most ghz, GB etc.  we all know a 14mhz A1200 with some fast ram is more responsive than 4 gig ram 3.0 ghz multicore monster running vista, so i couldn't care less about the specs

[recidivist]

  THE Amiga magic was mostly based on advanced,affordable graphics and to a lesser degree sound that was way ahead of the competition.

  Newtek's Video Toaster sold more high-end Amigas than anything Commodore did.The Toaster was THE editing tool for small and medium projects,and even the yet to be named "pro-sumer" could afford the system.

  Much of the Amiga's special appeal was that it could use an ordinary home television or an equally affordable monitor but its success was really tied to NTSC video.The switch to digital TV and the near universal display for computers pretty much takes care of all that.

  Time marched on,and the original Amiga is as outdated as a Model A or T.

  Nothing wrong with enjoying old "whatever" ,but neither 20 year old cars or computers are going to sell in the numbers desired by any big corporation.

  We just need to recognize the reality that Amiga is now,and unless a new super-application that runs only on Amiga appears, a niche market.A niche market generally  will have less competition,fewer suppliers,limited choices,and higher prices .

  Another reality is that the lone programming genius cannot compete with commercial software corporations in anything but a niche market.The sheer volume of code for many new releases take one or more CDs or even a DVD!Who has the time to write 600MB of high-quality code?

  I think all we could expect is what amigadave dreams of:Amiga OS for Mac(and maybe other)PPC computers,newer PPC/Freescale/non-x86 computers running Amiga-like OS,etc.

  I'd like to see new PPC upgrade cards at much better prices so all the owners of existing Amigas could at least get AOS 4.0

 

[ChuckT]

stefcep2 wrote:
@chuckT re:programming

you make a good point, but what programming language would you use?  In the 80's BASIC was easy to learn but very slow.  So if you want to write games, that's out.  So then you have to learn something more complicated, and who wants that apart from those interested in programming, rather than those interested in art or animation or music.

There were some games on the Commodore 64 that were hard to beat and they were written in Machine language running at only 1MHZ.  How is that possible?

http://www.dessgeega.com/crossroads.html

The downside of Windows or Gamecube is that it is physically faster than I am. I can't physically beat my friend who has been playing video games since he was three years old.  I can't physically bend my fingers faster than he can so he always wins at Mario Party no matter what I do.  He is faster than the programmable joysticks.  That is the reason why I'm not wishing to get another game system since it isn't fun anymore.  There are Windows games that you basically have to have a cheat key to win because it is physically impossible for a lot of people to win and that makes it unplayable or unenjoyable.

I think that hardware is physically fast enough that if you manage resources, Basic can be faster and maybe you have to streamline a language like C but believing the argument that it is either Windoze or nothing is like relegating Christmas to the Christmas modemers.  (Christmas modemers was a derogatory term given to people who knew nothing about BBSing and they came and ruined message boards because they knew nothing about etequette or they uploaded every file instead of compressing them into an archive.  They uploaded programs that didn't work so they could get the 1 to 1 download credit.)  I think that I can enjoy a computer more by programming it with my creativity than buying a one size fits all program written with vanilla programming.  I want to look at my computer in Multi Colors instead of Vanilla.  My programming is red hot and your storebought programs are all rot.  I was going to use another word but I didn't want to offend.

I believe that if someone was to take the time to manage the resources of the computer, languages and operating systems could make the Amiga the computer to beat.  The fact is that memory has two channels now so instead of the processor waiting for the memory, the memory is waiting for the processor.  We can think about the Amiga differently if we are willing to give it different technology and if we are willing to think about how to manage resources.

[dammy]

I was pretty happy with AI's choice until Sheep Lord screwed up the deal with QSSL.  I was happy with AI's alt choice of Linux.  Then it all went down hill.

Anubis x86/x86_64/ARM/PPC is the only answer for me.  I want full drivers and let the GUI hide the POSIX nature of a modern OS.

Dammy

[orb85750]

I'm probably stating the obvious, but the most important "want" for me is a solid (and hopefully unified) direction for the future of Amiga.  OS4.x and SAM440 seem to form a good starting path, but it may all fall apart if AI wins the lawsuit.  Then what?  Are we going to wait around to see what happens with OS4/5 in the hands of Amiga Inc?

[recidivist]

 Agree that SAM is currently most Amiga-like commercial product available,and is the only choice if you want to run the latest AmigaOS version on new hardware.
 
 I'm watching for affordable PPC upgrade card and would prefer SAM-flex with the multiple PCI card motherboard over the present single card model.

 Amiga users wish all the lawsuits could be settled amicably and everyone get back to making hardware and software.

[Dandy]

Varthall wrote:

Personally, none of them. I wouldn't like the Amiga becoming just another x86 box as Apple did with the Mac.

Fully agreed here.

Varthall wrote:

I'd rather prefer a more custom and still powerful machine.

The same here on my end...

Varthall wrote:

The Sam440 is IMHO a step in the right decision, I just hope that in the future a more powerful model will be released.

You mean "a step in the right direction", don't you?

"A more powerful model" already has been released - it just has to be suported by AOS:

Quad Core PPC Power Station

[Amithony]

re: Quad core option, why dont we hassle them to make an OS4.1 friendly option?