New AmigaOS???

[dammy]

The main concern I have is if too much GNU (as in Linux/GNU not the GPL) stuff creeps in and it loses some of that amiganess.

That's been a major concern with the core Anubis Devs as well.  I've been pretty impressed by their concerns for long term development so basic decisions (ie xcb vs opengl) are being thought out long and hard.

Dammy

[Hans_]

dammy wrote:

You are joking, right?

No he isn't, he clearly understands what basing a new OS around a proven and modern kernel can give to the end user and what that will do to demand for OS4. I expect to see a WIP ISO release in January.

Dammy

Personally, I can't see it having much effect on OS4 at all. I also don't understand why people have such strong opinions based on a teaser and a few snippets on some discussion forums. I'm planning to check out the WIP when it's finally released, and then I'll be in a position to decide what I think of it.

Hans

[dammy]

Another red troll? The guy has made a total of two posts here and you're already labeling him? I haven't seen him post anything Amiga OS 4 related, so he could be anything.

Go tell me that after you read drhirudo's post on AWN.  It's been explained multiple times this is not another Linux Distro but he keeps repeating it over and over again.

Dammy

[dammy]

Personally, I can't see it having much effect on OS4 at all. I also don't understand why people have such strong opinions based on a teaser and a few snippets on some discussion forums. I'm planning to check out the WIP when it's finally released, and then I'll be in a position to decide what I think of it.

I'd say that is reasonable and prudent.

Dammy

[Hans_]

dammy wrote:

Another red troll? The guy has made a total of two posts here and you're already labeling him? I haven't seen him post anything Amiga OS 4 related, so he could be anything.

Go tell me that after you read drhirudo's post on AWN.  It's been explained multiple times this is not another Linux Distro but he keeps repeating it over and over again.

Dammy

You sure it's the same guy? Anyway, the FAQ should probably have an entry explaining what a Linux Distro is, and how Anubis-OS is different. I think that a lot of people have already forgotten that Gateway was thinking of basing the next generation Amiga OS on a Linux or QNX kernel back when they were talking about the Amiga MCC.

Hans

[Kronos]

Just to make matters even, lets hear from a well known blue troll  :ranting:

Back in the 1st A.org-thread about this dammy claimed that he believed he could be useing anubis as his main OS pretty soon, suggesting it would be a user-OS instead of another research-OS.

This brings up one question, where will the apps come from ?

If the do Amiga-like APIs they will face a even thouger challenge then with AROS, cos it wouldn't be matter of "recompile&fix" anymore.

If they port over Nix-APIs there won't be much Amiganess left, and it would be just another Nix_that_is_not_Linux_proper.... and probraly a crappy one at that.

Lets see how they plan to cut that gordian-knot ....

[drHirudo]

dammy wrote:

Go tell me that after you read drhirudo's post on AWN.  It's been explained multiple times this is not another Linux Distro but he keeps repeating it over and over again.

Dammy

You are mistaking me with someone else. Personally I don't care about AROS/Anubis because I don't have the hardware to run it, and the PCs I have touch with seem to run fine with Windows XP. I run some Linux Distros on them be it from USB stick or even bootable CD/DVD, but they don't offer anything more than Windows XP, and they are developed for years. How is Anubis going to impress the people? Will it have backward AmigaOS compatibility?

[persia]

Because he's known as "He who is in the place of embalming?"

Anubis, he patron god of embalmers: during the funerary rites of mummification, illustrations from the Book of the Dead often show a priest wearing the jackal mask supporting the upright mummy.

[bloodline]

Kronos wrote:
Just to make matters even, lets hear from a well known blue troll  :ranting:

Back in the 1st A.org-thread about this dammy claimed that he believed he could be useing anubis as his main OS pretty soon, suggesting it would be a user-OS instead of another research-OS.

This brings up one question, where will the apps come from ?

Same problem AROS has... and to be fair the same problem ALL AmigaOS clones have...

If the do Amiga-like APIs they will face a even thouger challenge then with AROS, cos it wouldn't be matter of "recompile&fix" anymore.

Could just run AROS hosted on it... best of both worlds then.

If they port over Nix-APIs there won't be much Amiganess left, and it would be just another Nix_that_is_not_Linux_proper.... and probraly a crappy one at that.

Not really sure what constitutes Amiganess anymore... The feeling I get when I fire up UAE or my Real Miggies... and then remember how bad we actually had it back in the old days...

For serious work not a lot is going to tear me from my OSX boxes...

Lets see how they plan to cut that gordian-knot ....

That's really where it's at... let's just see how it goes. :-)

[dammy]

You are mistaking me with someone else.

Then I withdraw my comment and apologize.

Dammy

[persia]

The trouble with defining Amiganess is that there is no company to define what Amiganess is.  CBM folded, Escom make a fat Elvis attempt and finally was buried.  Since then there has been nobody to define Amiganess.  The current leaseholder (subletter actually) of the Amiga name only makes Windows Mobile games.  So we are left to define what Amiga is.

The trouble is that we can't agree, and after 13 years in the wilderness the majority of remaining Amigans are retro oriented, not a good group to create a new Amiga OS....

[uncharted]

bloodline wrote:

Not really sure what constitutes Amiganess anymore... The feeling I get when I fire up UAE or my Real Miggies... and then remember how bad we actually had it back in the old days...

Yeah, right on Brother - those Amigas were a nightmare.  I'm glad I have nothing more to do with those...oh wait... :roll:

Time marches on, it brings improvements and new problems.  We can do more now, we can do things far faster and far prettier, but does that mean that we were badly off back then? Of course not.

Looking at the Dock on my MacBook it's not far off what my Dock on my A1200 had when it was still my main machine, probably the most notable exception being Eclipse.

[bloodline]

uncharted wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Not really sure what constitutes Amiganess anymore... The feeling I get when I fire up UAE or my Real Miggies... and then remember how bad we actually had it back in the old days...

Yeah, right on Brother - those Amigas were a nightmare.  I'm glad I have nothing more to do with those...oh wait... :roll:

Time marches on, it brings improvements and new problems.  We can do more now, we can do things far faster and far prettier, but does that mean that we were badly off back then? Of course not.

Hahaha, my point was that it's difficult to define Amiganess... I don't think the irony really came through in my post...


We (as in all computer users) had it bad in the old days... no matter what system you used...

Looking at the Dock on my MacBook it's not far off what my Dock on my A1200 had when it was still my main machine, probably the most notable exception being Eclipse.

Good old OSX :-)

[paolone]

The trouble is that we can't agree, and after 13 years in the wilderness the majority of remaining Amigans are retro oriented, not a good group to create a new Amiga OS....

Well I can see two kinds of Amigans: the one that would be buried along with their miggys and the one that's looking forward to evolve, but doesn't know exactly how to.

The first one fears the end of the original concept and looks at AROS, MOS, Anubis and sometimes even AmigaOS 4.x itself, as enemies to fight, since they are taking developers apart.

The second one would evolve to something else, but they'd prefer to have a company like "Amiga Inc the way Amiga Inc should be" that would give a direction. In a nutshell: if only Amiga Inc really did that AmigaOS 5/NG based on a Linux/BSD/QNX or whatsoever kernel, they would agree and move on. The problem they have with a Anubis is the same they had with AROS: it's the community itself, and not Amiga Inc, to pilot the flight.

It's not a surprise that people more friendly/positive with Anubis are the same that were friendly/positive with modern AmigaOS incarnations like AROS, MOS and AmigaOS 4.1: they also have hardware capable of running it, and since AROS and Anubis are opensource, they even haven't to spend a buck to try them. And it's obvious that the "bury me with my expanded A1200" people won't be happy if the community will choose to follow the egyptian god.

What I ask to those people is just to stop pretending anyone else should agree with them: time for classic Amiga has finished, like it happened for C64, Atari ST, Windows 3.1 and many, many others. A platform to survive must evolve. No evolution, no party.

[Atheist]

paolone wrote:

What I ask to those people is just to stop pretending anyone else should agree with them: time for classic Amiga has finished, like it happened for C64, Atari ST, Windows 3.1 and many, many others. A platform to survive must evolve. No evolution, no party.

Not true paolone, because an A1200 in an Amiga Fantasy case in a RELATIVE PRICE to today's HW WOULD sell in the millions. (Say, ~$140 US plus tax including HD and built in 56K modem, ethernet and cable modem.)

Of course, the CPU would have to be a 68060 @100MHz with MMU and FPU (that's not new evolved tech) and have full ram, say 1 Gig and 2 Meg chip. I'm assuming here your "no evolution".


But hey, we've actually WON, there's NatAmi!!!!!

[Jupp3]

What I ask to those people is just to stop pretending anyone else should agree with them: time for classic Amiga has finished, like it happened for C64, ...

Wait, are you saying that C64 would be "dead"?

Well sometimes it seems that C64 scene is more alive than Amiga scene imho :-)

There are even new hardware products, such as MMC Replay and 1541 Ultimate.