A new Amiga OS ??????

[dammy]

The idea is kind of cool though, but it takes a lot more than programming to make an OS take off (that's why practically none of all the brave new OS projects gets anywhere in practice), and you are what, two programmers and one "community communicator"? It could become something cool, but I won't hold my breath!

If I knew as little as you did, I'd probably feel the same way.

Dammy

[bloodline]

persia wrote:
Yep, the death of AROS I'm afraid.  Instead of one never ending project we'll have two.  Makes no sense but such is the open source world, you can't tell people where to spend there time, even if it's a waste, it's their time to waste...

Without any real insight into this project, and having been an AROS supporter since 1999... I have to say I really like the idea of Anubis... I've been thinking about such a project since I first used MacOS X in 2005...

AROS has pretty much reached the pinnacle of what it can... The AmigaOS design is flawed, and AROS has hit those flaws. AROS is a very nice open source AmigaOS Clone (That I'm hoping will be backported to 68k for UAE use). Now is the time to move on to a new concept, I like the Term "Carbonizing" AmigaOS (a term borrowed from MacOS X and one I've been throwing around since 2005, search AROS-Exec.org for more info) .

[persia]

You aren't going to be able to run a modern os on 68K based machines, I can't see how a back port would be possible.  Also it would be nice to see it on QNX which is Microkernel based and much more designed to the Amiga ideal.

[Argo]

He was talking about getting AROS backported to 68k for UAE use. Which would give us an Amiga compatiable OS and ROMs free of Amiga, Inc.

[paolone]

persia wrote:
You aren't going to be able to run a modern os on 68K based machines, I can't see how a back port would be possible.

Oh, what a pity! What a shame! What a terrible, unpleasant disgrace, in year 2008!

[dammy]

You aren't going to be able to run a modern os on 68K based machines, I can't see how a back port would be possible. Also it would be nice to see it on QNX which is Microkernel based and much more designed to the Amiga ideal.

Neutrino and Dragonfly were originally considered but the question of hardware support popped up. As Apple proved, if you can hide the unix style ugliness below the GUI, even Macheads can not only use it, but brag about it.  Days of 7MHz 68000, micro kernels made sense. Today's multi core, not too many will be impacted with a slimmed down monolithic kernel.  With todays god like gfx cards, end users demand hardware acceleration for 2D/3D.  The end users have paid for a great gfx card, shouldn't they get the benefit that they paid for?

I think the Amiga Community should stop thinking of the past as the current standards and demand today's standards.  Lets compare what we demanded and got from our Amigas back in the  80s and very early 90s, we got a killer machine for minimal money.  Why is it today people will settle for the opposite, because they are chained to the past?  For the purest out there, let me remind you that C= used TripOS to base AOS on.  You and I both know if the owners of C= IP got a bunch of money, huge contracts, and old C= coders back, they would jump to a modern kernel in a heartbeat to restart AOS.  

Anubis doesn't have money, contracts, IP, but it does have a burning in the belly for what today's AOS should be. It damn well better squeeze every possible drop of horse power out of it's existing hardware, just like AOS did on the Amiga, with no excuses.  

The reason why Anubis was shoved into the public eye was not for end users for some prepay scam.  It was done to get the word out to like minded developers that they can make a difference at the beginning of a OS development.  How many Amiga devs left for Linux/BSD?  They now can put their knowledge of both AOS and Linux to work.  Anubis can be found on source forge under ARIX.

Dammy

[cantido]

dammy wrote:
Neutrino and Dragonfly were originally considered but the question of hardware support popped up. As Apple proved, if you can hide the unix style ugliness below the GUI, even Macheads can not only use it, but brag about it.

So after all that you're creating a graphical shell? Woooopdedooo! Which begs the question; Why don't you just improve whats already there?

Days of 7MHz 68000, micro kernels made sense. Today's multi core, not too many will be impacted with a slimmed down monolithic kernel.  With todays god like gfx cards, end users demand hardware acceleration for 2D/3D.  The end users have paid for a great gfx card, shouldn't they get the benefit that they paid for?

Actually, on multicore machines a microkernel design would work best.. You also seemed have missed that Windows is microkernel based, OSX uses mach in its layers of "stuff apple bought"... and biggest omission is a pretty major one; Barely any support for graphics hardware comes from the kernel in Linux.

Anubis doesn't have money, contracts, IP, but it does have a burning in the belly for what today's AOS should be. It damn well better squeeze every possible drop of horse power out of it's existing hardware, just like AOS did on the Amiga, with no excuses.  

Give it up. You think you going to do better than the thousands and thousands of active developers the major operating systems, Xorg, KDE, Gnome etc etc have? Maybe you could ebay a reality check.

like minded developers that they can make a difference at the beginning of a OS development.

Any serious developer should see this for the joke it is. God help anyone that thinks that something worth while is going to come from this.

How many Amiga devs left for Linux/BSD?  They now can put their knowledge of both AOS and Linux to work.  Anubis can be found on source forge under

It doesn't matter what platform you develop on anymore, most people use the gnu compilers, the gnu libraries.
It isn't the 1980's anymore, wake up.

[persia]

Yep, they want to keep the bad things about the linux kernel (monolithic architecture) and throw away the good thing (all the tools, languages and XOrg).  You'd be better off fixing the kernel in Linux rather than mucking around in the bits that are mature.

Amiga folks seem to think that the years still start with 19...

[dammy]

So after all that you're creating a graphical shell? Woooopdedooo! Which begs the question; Why don't you just improve whats already there?

Guess you just skimmed over what I posted and not actually consider what I said.  But I fully expected those in the other camps to be noisy and you've confirmed it.

Dammy

[tonyyeb]

I will reserve my judgement for a first release. I'm not a fan of making opinions of stuff that isn't even released yet. Good luck and hopefully you will blow our socks off!

[cantido]

persia wrote:
Yep, they want to keep the bad things about the linux kernel (monolithic architecture)

Look at the process tree on a recentish Linux based system and you'll notice a lot of stuff doesn't run inside the kernel where it once did. A great deal of the low level api's are also now available to userland applications via interfacing libraries so it's totally possible to write drivers that run in userland, you can even write file systems within the userland. And almost everything can be built into a loadable module, so the "monolithic" thing isn't a Big Deal(TM).

If they don't like Xorg, they could work on a desktop for DirectFB or something. But pretending to write a Linux based AmigaOS is just plain silly.

[paolone]

Actually, on multicore machines a microkernel design would work best.. You also seemed have missed that Windows is microkernel based, OSX uses mach in its layers of "stuff apple bought"... and biggest omission is a pretty major one; Barely any support for graphics hardware comes from the kernel in Linux.

Ough, coff, coff... any decision you'll take, you'll have to read the rants of people that DO NOTHING but repeating that there are better ways to do things.

Well, maybe, but none has done them: so we're again at the starting point. Do you think microkernels are better options? So create your own AmigaOS dialect based on a microkernel, choose the one you want and DO IT. The day Anubis will be ready and a complete mess, you'll probably prove to be right. But before this will happen, just look at what come out like me and others are doing, it's clever.

The Amiga community is at this dismission point just because it is too much interested in stupid religion wars (the red versus the blues, the microkernel versus the monolithic one, the PPC versus the X86, Goldrake versus Mazinger and so on...), instead of DOING THINGS. I respect who DOES THINGS.

Give it up. You think you going to do better than the thousands and thousands of active developers the major operating systems, Xorg, KDE, Gnome etc etc have? Maybe you could ebay a reality check.

Where have I read this long ago? Ooooh, don't tell me... I have it... YES!!! That was when someone started talking about that wasteful "Amiga Replacement Operating System": it can't be done, they said. Well: that's here. Nobody said Anubis should be ready in two weeks.

It doesn't matter what platform you develop on anymore, most people use the gnu compilers, the gnu libraries. It isn't the 1980's anymore, wake up.

Haven't you noticed that's EXACTLY WHY the Anubis project has been started on? Not only people use the gnu compilers and libraries, but they also use Mozilla (instead of Ibrowse), OpenOffice, Photoshop, Gimp, Premiere and countless other modern applications that will NEVER be available for AmigaOS (and also for AROS and MorphOS) due to their structural limitations and scarce diffusion.

It's time to understand what can and can't be done, and move further. If we can have best of both worlds, well, I'll be happy with it. But I won't stay here forever, in front of my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1 and its couple of tiny apps, repeating to myself how this wonderful operating system is, and how unlucky we are. The day someone will give me a linux-based AmigaOS clone with modern feature and stronger API, I will be happy.

[KimmoK]

about AnubisOS...

I hope the coming web site tells more about how AnubisOS differs from other AmigaLike OSs of the x86.

For example when compared to:
http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/screenshots/omega1.html

Anyone here used AtheneOS?
Is it any good, really?

Other "fast ones": http://vectorlinux.com/

[dammy]

by paolone on 2008/11/12 14:48:26

It's time to understand what can and can't be done, and move further. If we can have best of both worlds, well, I'll be happy with it. But I won't stay here forever, in front of my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1 and its couple of tiny apps, repeating to myself how this wonderful operating system is, and how unlucky we are. The day someone will give me a linux-based AmigaOS clone with modern feature and stronger API, I will be happy.

To all:

One of the nice things, there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis.  I expect now that two of the core devs are finishing up moving their families (non-Anubis related), Anubis development will start to pick up this month. :lotsacoffee: M0ns00n stated he thought the new web site should be open in January.  That should have documentation to settle most questions about Anubis internal works.

Dammy

[cgutjahr]

@dammy

once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis

If you ever wondered why people are sceptical when you talk about Anubis: This quote is a prime example.

You've been talking about UAE integration for AROS for what, seven years? And it didn't happen so far. Now you abandoned AROS, you're promoting a new project (for which not a single line of code has been written yet) and of course "there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis".

Sigh.

[4pLaY]

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Now you abandoned AROS, you're promoting a new project (for which not a single line of code has been written yet) and of course "there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis".

Sigh.
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How would you know whats been done or not?, there have been quite a lot more then a single line of code written... only mistake we did was to let people know about the project untill we had something to show. On a positive side though, several developers have joined up so it wasent all bad.