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Offline Lorraine

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« on: November 07, 2008, 10:30:34 PM »
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Offline TheMagicM

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 11:03:43 PM »
honestly, its not worth fighting any war in the Amiga world.  Just stick with what you like. I love MorphOS.  I dont care about what goes on anywhere else with other "camps".  The less emotional investment you put into the Amiga world, the better off you are.  Pick what you like and just stick with it.
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Offline F1Lupo

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 11:28:25 PM »
honestly I feel at peace when Im using my 1200..and I hope to one day try OS4.1 with Sam...really dont understand this flaming war nonsense :-?
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Offline zyphoid

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 12:04:34 AM »
it stems back to the programmers of the early era, someone else has the history lesson I'm sure, but morph created better computer opportunities when amiga was in disarray, then it stemmed into brand loyalty and what was a real amiga anyway. while "we" were struggling with the issue of speed, morph moved ahead and were enjoying the wealth of pegs,speed programs, ect.  Truth be told they carried the mantle of moving ahead for awhile now.  Though few will give it credit.

As for the war, why not? the more the merrier!  we got three new browsers out of it among other things, and if we be open, we will find something we like  i would even support the AInc move with AE on EVO  
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if they could be trusted, but right now whoever has the best product, will be dominant! OS4 looks good now, but again morph is ahead, if they port to faster hardware.

feel free to correct me  :-?
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Offline Amithony

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 12:08:55 AM »
A better question is why there are so many PC threads on an amiga site?
 

Offline AeroMan

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 12:49:46 AM »
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Amithony wrote:
A better question is why there are so many PC threads on an amiga site?



That's a good question! I think the answer is that because most of us...

-Got piss*d by the fact that the crappy PC is the only survivor (sorry, Macs are PCs today) and wants to believe the world could be better if anything else had evolved to today's technology level. (include me here, please)

-Had an Amiga as a main computer, but fell in love with a PC somehow

-Believes Amigas should be left in the retrocomputing scene beside Sinclairs, TRS-80s, C64s and Ataris (complete the list with your favourite) and we are a bunch of dreamers

-Wants to prove that his/hers favourite flavour of PC is better than the one used by others (Mac/Linux/Win/others...) and for some reason needs to do it everytime the words PC or x86 appears

-Got brainwashed by MicroSoft :-D

And the last, but the most important in my opinion:

-Considers the good people in this forum have huge knowledge about computers, are willing to help, and feels like he/she is among friends. (...yeap, include me here too) :-D
 

Offline Amithony

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 12:54:53 AM »
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-Considers the good people in this forum have huge knowledge about computers, are willing to help, and feels like he/she is among friends. (...yeap, include me here too) :-D


Should we shed the name amiga.org for something more general then? What would you call it? Generaltech.org ? :)
 

Offline kolla

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 12:56:02 AM »
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Lorraine wrote:
My question is why are there so many camps in the Amiga scene (when we're not really that big anyway) and why are we at war with each other?

Though this isn't to debate the issues that get us seemingly worked up, just why those issues exist in the first place.


This is like asking why there isnt peace in the middle east when they all worship the same god anyhow.

People who crave power lives off these wars, it's what gives them power. They can dictate the truth, create a following and eventually clash into open war with other groups. Split and rule.

I dont know much about the red camp, but in the blue camp they seem more keen on ridiculing the red camp than talking about their own problems. For example, in the SAM440 thread, bluecampers join in to ridicule both OS4 and SAM - en masse. What for? To show off their elitism ofcourse. Or do you really they care about what other people use their money on? I doubt it.

They keep pointing to various hardware that would be or is better/cheaper than SAM440 and say aCube should rather build something like that. Well, gee - so should Genesi. Yet we dont see the bluecampers raving around about the lack of products from Genesi/bPlan. Why not?

IMO the blue side should just STFU regarding OS4 and related issues, and rather focus on their own problems. The red camp I dont know so well, as blue camp hangaround I've only gotten to know the redcampers as dumbwits and children...  :roll:
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Offline Skyraker

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2008, 01:16:34 AM »
We were too short sighted in our day, now it's too late.

Enjoy what you have fella.

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Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2008, 02:23:00 AM »
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Amithony wrote:
A better question is why there are so many PC threads on an amiga site?


Unless my A3000 is broke, I don't have anything Amiga related to talk about :shrug:
 

Offline weirdami

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 02:33:57 AM »
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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2008, 03:11:32 AM »
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kolla wrote:

I dont know much about the red camp


Of course not. :roll:

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but in the blue camp they seem more keen on ridiculing the red camp than talking about their own problems.


You haven't visited morphzone.org much during the time prior to the 2.0 release then, right? :roll:

But right now there isn't really a problem, the cheap but low power and low spec Efika is still available, and the Mac Mini port is about to be released (any year now! ;-)) which will bring performance (and price) never yet seen on this market! The Pegs are here since long, the Pegasos 2 G4 stands for quality and performance, and you could get a second hand machine if you pay attention! :-)

Anyone here could get a MorphOS system right now if they want to! :-)

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For example, in the SAM440 thread, bluecampers join in to ridicule both OS4 and SAM


OK, since I am pretty much the only one in that thread that has raised any kind of criticism against the price/performance ratio of the Sam as well as the rather dubious legal situation of the Sam/OS4.1 combo, I guess that it is *me* (and no one else) you are talking about when you throw up a label like "blue campers"?

Please don't make generalizations like that! :evil:

Call me by my name!

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They keep pointing to various hardware that would be or is better/cheaper than SAM440 and say aCube should rather build something like that.


And how am I wrong? Please discuss my arguments instead of {bleep}ing and moaning.

I put forward pretty much the same arguments when the Sam spec's were released for the first time. Since then many things has happened on the PPC scene, and my point in that thread was to raise the question whether the embedded 440 processor with lots of external controllers would be the optimal choice for the future?

Acube is designing a new motherboard. Is the 440 CPU really the best choice for the desktop Amiga it claims to be? Or could a simple two-chip solution based on either the 8640 or 8610 be a better solution?

Is the 440 CPU really better than the 5121e in a more "gadget like" device?

In what way will a €700(EUR) combo system "bring back the Amiga" on a broad scale?

And why am I so evil by simply raising these questions? :-?

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Well, gee - so should Genesi. Yet we dont see the bluecampers raving around about the lack of products from Genesi/bPlan. Why not?


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Offline Methuselas

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2008, 04:04:49 AM »
Drama. People on here are human. It's all apples and oranges. All have their advantages and disadvantages. It really doesn't matter.

I wish that OS4 had MorphOS extensions, so it could run that software as well, since MorphOS can. Be even nicer if AROS could do it all. We can't always get what we want.
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Offline 1985BMWK75

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2008, 05:21:46 AM »
@Lorraine

I think you posted after me about SAM. I don't have anything against non-Amiga's, or software simulators etc. Each to their own I say. Whatever you prefer to use (and can afford to buy), then that is great. If it makes you happy - then go for it.

I am mostly ignorant about what happened to Amiga after Commodore fell off it's perch, and what software and hardware came afterwards, to try and keep "Amiga" alive, and bring it into the 21st century. I have a vague awareness, so I'm not completely ignorant. I've glanced at some of the new hardware and software, but I am just not interested. I can't see the point in spending a small fortune on a computer that is more powerful than the original Amiga's, yet less powerful than a much cheaper modern PC (yet somehow much more expensive). I'm sure someone will say "yeah, but a PC doesn't have this or that feature..". Well, I just don't care, a generic el-cheapo PC has everything I could ever want or need.

Someone said something about elitism. I think that can come into it. Some people are veritable computer experts, and laugh at those of us who aren't as well versed. Others don't look down on less knowledgeable people, but share their knowledge, and help people out - these are the people that keep the Amiga community alive. Zetr0 comes to mind. Not everyone is so into computers (of any brand/type) to that extent. That doesn't make them dumb, or losers, or whatever. Just different, and maybe into other things, completely unrelated to computers and software. Are some people perhaps creeping over that fine line from passion, to obsession? :-P

For me, I would rather just use my PC's for the usual stuff. It's much cheaper, and they are so user friendly these days. But when I want that special feeling, I fire up my Amiga :-D But that's me, and I don't expect anyone to share even one of my views :-)

And like Lorraine, I can't quite grasp why some people will nearly abuse or ridicule someone (or actually do it). I know that there are provocative and annoying personalities out there, but responding in kind invariably seems the start the s**t-rain falling...

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Offline arkanoid

Re: Why are we at war?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2008, 05:42:13 AM »
tbh, I think the "war" is in your mind - it's there only if you wish it to be there. all I see is a variety of options availble - be it MorphOS, AROS, Classic AOS or AOS4 - all of which offer me the ability continue enjoying my Amiga hobby and all have their pros and cons.

I also, occasionally, notice a bunch of apparently delusional characters bickering on forums over which option is "best". I tend to ignore those characters and simply continue to enjoy my HOBBY because I don't find bickering very enjoyable.

PS: i just noticed Methuselas comment, i think i like him.  :-)
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