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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #59 from previous page: September 10, 2008, 01:50:00 AM »
"Sending uncompressed video across an USB link easily exhausts or exceeds the raw bandwidth of 480MBit/sec. A 50Hz true color stream would be at a sustained rate of 260MBit/sec. While this is not a problem for a PCI interface, over USB this is too much."

Isn't a VGA usb card sending almost raw data too ? Maybe there are cards with some form of lighter compression that can be decoded with the CPU. It's probably cumbersome to send raw video to USB bus even on a PC
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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2008, 02:24:10 AM »
How can I help :-?
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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2008, 03:12:46 AM »
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You could give us Angelina Jolie's cellphone number and the IP address to connect to her wireless shower-cam.
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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2008, 07:34:28 AM »
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You could give us Angelina Jolie's cellphone number and the IP address to connect to her wireless shower-cam.


For a start.  :roflmao:
 

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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2008, 08:59:41 AM »
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Isn't a VGA usb card sending almost raw data too ?

If they work like I think they work, then some composition and all the refresh is done by USB devices themselves reducing the amount of bus bandwidth. Once the gfx data is transferred to it's RAM unlike RAW video it does not need 100% screen updates every 1/25th of a second if the image does not change.

For VGA usb cards I fear that the host has to compress this data on the fly. Perhaps too much for all but the most powerful Amiga. But we'll see.

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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2008, 11:13:23 AM »
the video adapter has just arrived. im going to forward it to chris as soon as its possible.
 

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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2008, 06:13:20 PM »
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the video adapter has just arrived. im going to forward it to chris as soon as its possible.


The eagle has landed. wawa personally came along at my office and handed the box over. But it is uses same DisplayLink technology (quick test on my office's laptop) that alexh told we won't get our holds on. I will try a short analyser run on it anyway.

But about false advertising: The adapter sold at Pearl only goes up to 1280x1024 and not to 1600x1200 as they say on the website. wawa should report that.

It uses the LibUSB, which is LGPL & GPL, so at least here we could demand the source code for. I doubt, it will be any use though.
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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2008, 06:28:14 PM »
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the video adapter has just arrived. im going to forward it to chris as soon as its possible.


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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2008, 08:37:03 PM »
Just got a DeLock 61644 USB-DVI adapter for evaluation with our notebooks (all are docking and TFT equipped, but DVI-capable machines are out of the budget). We'll be testing it in the next couple of days, afterwards I can offer it for extended testing, maybe it's of use.

This adapter was specifically recommended by our hardware provider - let's see what it can accomplish.
 

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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2008, 10:20:33 PM »
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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2008, 12:07:50 AM »
Well... what can I say, probably *all* USB Display Adapters use the same kind of chipset: The DisplayLink DL-120 or DL-160 (latter has the higher resolutions). I opened the box and the thing consists of only three chips. The very fat ASIC BGA DL-120, a DVI encoder chip and 16MB of DDR memory. 16 MB, seems a lot for an adapter that can only display 1280x1024 in 24 bit. But then again, it surely has at least two frame buffers (double buffering) to avoid tearing effects and probably a rather large decompression buffer for the compressed data. The device only has one bulk output with 512 bytes per packet and on interrupt in endpoint. The rest is done via control transfers.

This means, there is no way the to read back pixels from the framebuffer on the adapter, only a "write to memory" feature. This means the Amiga has to have a copy of the current framebuffer in memory. One could save the memory for the delta buffer, if the MMU would be used to calculate accesses (like the Savage Shapeshifter driver).

Except for the decompression, I expect the device to be rather simple hardwarewise -- maybe the registers of the DVI encoder chip are directly accessible over control transfers. If that's the case, luckily the docs of the chip are available on the net.

I'll keep you informed how it turns out. But I really need some more sleep...
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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2008, 12:11:04 AM »
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Just got a DeLock 61644 USB-DVI adapter for evaluation with our notebooks (all are docking and TFT equipped, but DVI-capable machines are out of the budget).


The DeLock looks *exactly* like the one wawa provided. If can determine the DL-chipset by opening it. I would like to know if it is the DL-160, because according to the specs, it should support 1600x1280, which mine doesn't :-(
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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2008, 07:38:04 AM »
hi all! just back from munich this morning and see there has been quite some traffic on the thread. chris get enough sleep, please. it is not all that urgent.

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But about false advertising: The adapter sold at Pearl only goes up to 1280x1024 and not to 1600x1200 as they say on the website. wawa should report that.


is it definite? if so i could fill a complaint, but pearl isnt that dependable anyway.

@all: im repeating this for th last time: thanks folks, but i do not need a refund on this. im happy to support.
 

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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2008, 07:42:01 AM »
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But about false advertising: The adapter sold at Pearl only goes up to 1280x1024 and not to 1600x1200 as they say on the website. wawa should report that.


is it definite? if so i could fill a complaint, but pearl isnt that dependable anyway.


Yes, that's definitely a fact. I opened the box and is says DL-120 there. Only the DL-160 is able to provide the 1600x1200 resolution (and also I cannot set the resolution on my screen at work).

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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2008, 08:06:43 AM »
ok. so we will probably have to find some dongle with dl-160 later but i hope what u have now is enough to prove a point either way.

PS: i love to sleep, and i have to catch up now after i spent the night ina train
 

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Re: USB VIDEO ON THE DENEB?
« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2008, 08:09:50 AM »
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maybe the registers of the DVI encoder chip are directly accessible over control transfers. If that's the case, luckily the docs of the chip are available on the net.

The docs of the DVI chip?

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It uses the LibUSB, which is LGPL & GPL, so at least here we could demand the source code for. I doubt, it will be any use though.

That is not a bad idea. In our office some managers are dreading a phone call asking about this subject. GPL software has been used in some products and legally no-engineer knows where we stand when it comes to releasing part/all of our source code.