My Music Video

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
This is really stated from a British POV. Dutch ppl are way much more direct (sometimes too direct IMHO)
So, you can rely on my and Odin's opinions stated here. :-)

Yes, British people tend to be over-polite. I really don't understand it. I suppose it comes down to not wanting to hurt people's feelings. But if somebody is seeking a genuine, honest opinion then I think it's more disrespectful to lie for the sake of their feelings than it is to give your honest opinion.

So I look forward to your opinions of my album - if I ever finish it!

[bloodline]

@moto

That is because your project is an artistic one rather than a comercial one... But you never know, there may well be an audience for what you want to do! :-)

People who create art, which they like and the audience likes are very lucky!

[bloodline]

@moto

That is because your project is an artistic one rather than a comercial one... But you never know, there may well be an audience for what you want to do! :-)

People who create art, which they like and the audience likes are very lucky!

[Lorraine]

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[motorollin]

I think "artistic" is a bit generous... I see myself more like a monkey on a typewriter. If I keep bashing the keyboard, eventually something reasonable might end up getting created ;-)

[motorollin]

Lorraine wrote:
I don't think it's the same thing as politeness (unless you mean generally)

Yes, I meant more generally. Though I think this trait is changing. Personally, I try to model my behaviour on that of Greg House :lol:

Lorraine wrote:
Generally, I'd like to always speak honestly to people. The reactions and {bleep}iness I get from some though in retaliation makes me think twice now about everything I say. Hence, why I didn't want to say too much to bloodline in case he was just showing off his masterpiece to 'his clique'. ;-)

I see now that isn't the case.

I have yet to see bloodline lose his temper - so I think you're quite safe ;-)

[bloodline]

Lorraine wrote:

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
This is really stated from a British POV. Dutch ppl are way much more direct (sometimes too direct IMHO)
So, you can rely on my and Odin's opinions stated here. :-)

Yes, British people tend to be over-polite. I really don't understand it.

I don't think it's the same thing as politeness (unless you mean generally) but I don't think people these days count it as a virtue (I know I know, we are more like Americans now) but the cliquishness is very much alive still (class and rich/poor divides as bad as ever, too) which prevents people from saying bad things to their faces (behind their backs is another story) and is one of the reasons I've almost completely fallen out of love with this country.

I suppose it comes down to not wanting to hurt people's feelings. But if somebody is seeking a genuine, honest opinion then I think it's more disrespectful to lie for the sake of their feelings than it is to give your honest opinion.

So I look forward to your opinions of my album - if I ever finish it!

Generally, I'd like to always speak honestly to people. The reactions and b*tchiness I get from some though in retaliation makes me think twice now about everything I say. Hence, why I didn't want to say too much to bloodline in case he was just showing off his masterpiece to 'his clique'. ;-)

I see now that isn't the case.

* Edit: Nevermind.

Haha,  no mine is a comercial product... If you like it, buy it, tell your friends... If you don't like it, slag me off, tell me I'm lame and most importantly tell me what I did wrong :-)

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
I think "artistic" is a bit generous... I see myself more like a monkey on a typewriter. If I keep bashing the keyboard, eventually something reasonable might end up getting created ;-)

Well, monkeys can swing real good :lol:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

the_leander wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Dutch ppl are way much more direct (sometimes too direct IMHO)
So, you can rely on my and Odin's opinions stated here. :-)

Ain't that the truth!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

:lol:

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:
I suppose it comes down to not wanting to hurt people's feelings. But if somebody is seeking a genuine, honest opinion then I think it's more disrespectful to lie for the sake of their feelings than it is to give your honest opinion.

Well, I think it's wanting to avoid uncomfortable social situations rather than conciously lying. (which at the same time is a rich source of the famous British humour)

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

motorollin wrote:
I think "artistic" is a bit generous... I see myself more like a monkey on a typewriter. If I keep bashing the keyboard, eventually something reasonable might end up getting created ;-)

Well, monkeys can swing real good :lol:

"Are you kidding? I put the GRRRRRR in swinger, baby!"

;-)

[motorollin]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, I think it's wanting to avoid uncomfortable social situations rather than conciously lying. (which at the same time is a rich source of the famous British humour)

You're right about not wanting to create uncomfortable social situations, but I don't think that means it's not necessarily a conscious lie. If somebody asks me what I think of, say, their hair cut, if I didn't like it then I would immediately become aware of the fact that an honest response may not only create an uncomfortable social situation but could also be hurtful to that individual. I have a choice at this point: lie and tell the person what I think they want to hear, resulting in them feeling better about themselves but still having a horrible hair cut, or give them an honest answer so that, if they decide that my opinion is really that important, they can do something about it. Because I usually opt for the latter, people who know me tend to ask for my opinion on things fully prepared for a totally honest response. People who don't know me so well are sometimes surprised by my honesty, but my experience is that people ultimately respect the fact that I am honest (but polite about it). I tend to expect the same from others.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

motorollin wrote:
I think "artistic" is a bit generous... I see myself more like a monkey on a typewriter. If I keep bashing the keyboard, eventually something reasonable might end up getting created ;-)

Well, monkeys can swing real good :lol:

"Are you kidding? I put the GRRRRRR in swinger, baby!"

;-)

Eh? I don't understand that one :-?

[Speelgoedmannetje]

motorollin wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Well, I think it's wanting to avoid uncomfortable social situations rather than conciously lying. (which at the same time is a rich source of the famous British humour)

You're right about not wanting to create uncomfortable social situations, but I don't think that means it's not necessarily a conscious lie. If somebody asks me what I think of, say, their hair cut, if I didn't like it then I would immediately become aware of the fact that an honest response may not only create an uncomfortable social situation but could also be hurtful to that individual. I have a choice at this point: lie and tell the person what I think they want to hear, resulting in them feeling better about themselves but still having a horrible hair cut, or give them an honest answer so that, if they decide that my opinion is really that important, they can do something about it. Because I usually opt for the latter, people who know me tend to ask for my opinion on things fully prepared for a totally honest response. People who don't know me so well are sometimes surprised by my honesty, but my experience is that people ultimately respect the fact that I am honest (but polite about it). I tend to expect the same from others.

The only problem I have with honesty is when it's outed too early. I consider it rude when someone think he/she can have a good opinion about for instance music when he/she has heard he very first minute of a performance.

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Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
Eh? I don't understand that one :-?

It's a quote from Austin Powers. Some bit of crumpet asks in if he swings, and that was how he responded. It's probably funnier coming from him, and not in text form ;-)

[motorollin]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:
The only problem I have with honesty is when it's outed too early. I consider it rude when someone think he/she can have a good opinion about for instance music when he/she has heard he very first minute of a performance.

Ahh yes, I agree with you there. It can take time for music to get under your skin, especially if it is different to what you would usually listen to. For example, when I first started listening to Radiohead I hated it, but I am lucky enough to have been trained in music so could recognise that even though the sound wasn't quite pleasing to my ear, there was something there of value. So I persevered, and now I adore their music. If I were to play, say, Everything In Its Right Place, Paranoid Android or Faust Arp to my father, he would immediately say he doesn't like it. If I tried to explain that it takes time to get used to it, he would refuse. I see this attitude a lot with music, and it makes me sad to think that people are missing out on something beautiful because they refuse to open their minds, give it a chance, and accept the possibility that what they're hearing could change them. After all, surely that's the point of music in the first place.